I have a lemmy.ml account and i didn’t know that they were bad . I created this account after seeing that post .( I am not into politics as you can see if you visited the account i have put in my bio ) so is that true ?

-Ca. someone explain like what are the lemmy devs political stance ?

-Is lemmy as whole affected by it because i think the two main guys who hold all the cards are the ones with these opinions ,like do they have any control on lemmy as whole in anyway ? Or just the instance ?( I know if they are really bad we can fork lemmy)?

-Is feddit.ch good in these aspects ?

-Are they even really bad or do everyone have different opinions ? The things i consider bad and not polical stance are : for instance i just don’t like trump because he is against t lgbt and being racist etc. Which are geniunly bad in my opinion and not just difference in opinions .

  • i know this is more than one question but please answer as much as i can and when talking politics talk like you are explainining politics to a five year old .

  • If this isn’t the right sub i apologise please don’t just down voat me to hell atleast explain where i should move it and i will do that

  • Thanks in advance will read each and every reply and updoot and reply as much as i can .

EDIT : And if they are that bad why aren’t anyone forking it ? It’s not like they are carrying the whole thing . Everyone is contributing .

  • Also if the dev’s want to explain their sides i would like to hear it .
  • PlzGivHugs@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    213·
    11 months ago

    I haven’t followed the drama closely, but from what I understand, the main devs of Lemmy and many of the older instance admins (including lemmy.ml) are tankies - basically pro-authoritarian, pro-violence, communists getting their name from support of the use of tanks against protesters. From what I can tell, lemmy.ml is pretty hands-off with their moderation, so there shouldn’t be too much of a problem with this, but you can always move if you feel you need to. While individual instances do have a significant degree of freedom, there is still potential issues with the lead developers being supporters of authoritarian ideologies, if only because that mindset will impact their understanding of how moderation/administration should work in their software. That said, again, I haven’t followed all this closely, so this might be outdated or incorrect information.

    Really, this is more of a polling and discussion community rather than one for providing factual or diffinitive answers to questions. If you want better answers, you’d be best off posting somewhere like !nostupidquestions@lemmy.world

    • NOT_RICK@lemmy.worldEnglish
      301·
      11 months ago

      Lemmy.ml admins are not hands off with their moderation. They regularly delete any opinion they don’t like claiming it is hate speech. The modlog is chock full of it.

    • Andy@slrpnk.net
      122·
      11 months ago

      I find this argument unproductive, though.

      It’s open source. If you don’t like the people making it, make your own. Otherwise, what’s the alternative? Stick with the shitty corporate internet? I don’t love Tankies, but I think anarcho-capitalists like Musk are definitely worse.

      Let’s grow Lemmy, and hopefully the politics of a few early developers won’t matter in the long run.

      • PlzGivHugs@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        7·
        11 months ago

        Let’s grow Lemmy, and hopefully the politics of a few early developers won’t matter in the long run.

        I mean, I’m still here. I agree. Even with my concerns, I still think its in a better place than most of the competition. That doesn’t mean it isn’t worth acknowledging the current problems, and the risks it may carry going forward. It’s better to be aware and vigilant so action can be taken early if needed.

      • Valmond@lemmy.mindoki.com
        3·
        11 months ago

        You’re right when it comes to the source code, and of course the protocol, but then it will be quite hard to fork both and then get a new community running on top of that.

    • nutomic@lemmy.mlEnglish
      71·
      11 months ago

      I really wonder where this thing about calling us tankies started, and why people still spread this nonsense. I certainly don’t support the use of tanks against protestor, and never have. However I think that the working class and average people should get more power, and rich people shouldn’t rule over us. Not sure how that is considered authoritarian.

      In fact this is the reason why I work on Lemmy: to give average people more power, and not let a couple billionaires like zuckerberg or musk control over our online lives.

    • DAEMON@feddit.chOP
      41·
      11 months ago

      Woah ! That’s what tankies means huh.

      While individual instances do have a significant degree of freedom, there is still potential issues with the lead developers being supporters of authoritarian ideologies, if only because that mindset will impact their understanding of how moderation/administration should work in their software.

      -so how much power do they have over everything ?

      • NOT_RICK@lemmy.worldEnglish
        11·
        11 months ago

        They only have power over the instances they control. I haven’t seen their ideology creep into development of the infrastructure at least.

        • DAEMON@feddit.chOP
          21·
          11 months ago

          But if they started can we stop them . Like i am thinking they can’t take their toys home because it’s foss , Am i wrong ?

          • NOT_RICK@lemmy.worldEnglish
            6·
            11 months ago

            If it crept in I would expect someone to fork the project. That’s the beauty of open source.

          • Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world
            4·
            11 months ago

            The beauty of lemmy is that it is not centralized. You do not need to log into any instance they have that type of control of. You can create your own instance of lemmy as well.

          • captainlezbian@lemmy.world
            2·
            11 months ago

            Yeah. Exactly. They can take it down but the software is out there and we have the legal right to use and improve it in perpetuity

      • captainlezbian@lemmy.world
        3·
        11 months ago

        Not much. Are there a lot of communists on Lemmy? Yes. Is that because non communists were pushed out by the creators? No. I’m a syndicalist who blames the USSR for stabbing us in the back in Spain and giving the country to Franco. I also stand by Nestor Makhno’s stance against both red and white armies. Does that mean the creator of Lemmy dislikes me? Maybe. Am I afraid to express those positions on here? No.

        We have a strong left bent in part because open source software is popular with queer and left wing nerds. Also because there’s other alternatives that the far right prefers

      • PlzGivHugs@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        1·
        11 months ago

        Instance admin only have power over their own instance (IE lemmy.ml mods cannot do anything on lemmy.world). Their power is fairly limitted as you can always move to a new instance if you’re unhappy with them.

        The Lemmy developers have more power, as they develop the tools everyone uses, so they act as a sort of “director”, being able to reinforce behaviours they want by improving tools and UI in areas they care about and vice-versa. That said, ultimately, its an open source project so if they piss-off too many people, someone else will split off their own version of Lemmy and effectively replace them - Kbin being a current competitor, for example.