Yes, however I’ve noticed that you may get downvotes dumped on you initially, oftentimes if your argument is decent you’ll probably rise to level or even positive after several hours. Not sure what it is with Lemmy, but I seem to encounter some comments that get downvoted right off the bat for no reason I can discern. My life doesn’t revolve around internet points, but obviously it’s nice to see upvotes and a good conversation follow a post I’ve added, but lots of downvotes without context are frustrating. Tell my why you disagree or think it doesn’t add to the discussion.
I’ve noticed that too. Sometimes when I get replied to I’ll see that the original comment is slightly in the negative. If I leave another reply and come back later it’ll be slightly in the positive. Maybe there’s some sort of bias at play, but I’ve seen this pattern a few times. Maybe people tend to be convinced by and up vote whoever left the last comment in a chain (had the last word)
All that matters is whether you’re speaking for or against the prevailing assumptions of the site/the subreddit. Most people on the internet are not experts on the topic but somehow already have their minds made up.
Also, Lemmy is not better than Reddit in this regard. Dominant opinion > everything else.
Oh yes, I’ve run into that several times. Worst were the biggest subs like /gaming or /cars. Man, never go against the crowd. I’m 90% sure that those subs are filled with industry shills and fans that won’t let you besmirch a (brand or game or car) and downvote your criticism or negative opinion for obvious reasons.
The most interesting thing is when something is culturally different from the US way of life, then it’s by default wrong.
I was arguing about shopping carts in another sub and, because it is culturally appreciated in the US to return the cart, I argued that we don’t do that in our country because it’s considered unsafe and was called lazy and got heavily downvoted.
That’s unfortunate. So many of these english speaking social media platforms tend to be US point of view dominated. From an American perspective it is difficult to envision a situation where returning a cart is so unsafe that it should be universally avoided and that may have resulted in the downvotes, and it’s certainly conceivable that the inconvenience and refusal to returning a cart could be rationalized over “safety”. It’s not like that sort of rationalization doesn’t happen over other things in daily life. The only thing I could suggest is a offer a why. I’m not suggesting people will become less stubborn over the issue, but at least those who want to learn, will.
Not to restart the discussion but: The whole “returning your cart” thing is a very arbitrary metric reinforced by a meme from around 2020 and has taken hold in the fickle zeitgeist of the internet. Personally I think carts need to be returned because they block parking spaces and can roll into and damage cars. Out of curiosity, why don’t people return carts where you live?
Out of curiosity, why don’t people return carts where you live?
This is how our parking lots look:
Every parking space has a space where you can leave the car to be collected by the employees, usually in the back of the spot. You can see it green in the image. Our parking lots are huge and usually take several floors. For us it makes no practical sense to have to go back all the way to the front, or to inside the store in some cases (like in the case in the photo, where you have to go all the way inside the mall), just to return the cart.
Of course if it happens for people to park near the cart deposit space, they usually return the cart to the stack.
Lots in the US are plenty large as well, so I don’t see that as a factor. But that doesn’t explain the “safety” aspect that was mentioned. It just means your lots are designed to accommodate leaving carts and the employees are accustomed to fetching said carts, not an explanation that led to the design other than perhaps a convenience for customers.
Which doesn’t mean I’m wrong and you’re right. It’s just two different ways of doing the same thing.
On big food courts here the etiquette is to return the tray to the tray holders or to the store, but for small courts or restaurants it’s very common to leave it at the table for the employees to gather. So it is kind of inverse of the cart etiquette. In some places in the world it is common to return the tray, and in some places it is common to leave it at the table. That doesn’t mean either is wrong.
The world is big and different people have different views and cultures and ways of doing every single thing. To tell one is superior to the other when talking about these things that don’t matter so much is to impose you way above anyone else’s to feel superior.
The person that called me lazy was calling everybody where I live lazy because everyone does this thing this way, which is pretty pretentious.
You can have strong opinions about something without being judgmental about how other people live because they don’t do things the way you and your peers do.
Being culturally expected and ingrained isn’t an issue I think needs to be argued about - so long as it doesn’t cause harm. Whatever works in your country is fine. Americans have plenty of their own cultural norms that are generally unacceptable or frowned on in other parts of the world even through they are insignificant in actual meaning. However, again, it doesn’t explain the safety aspect regarding cart return.
Right wing opinions are usually wrong. Not always, but overwhelmingly. It’s really to the point that if someone mentions they’re right wing I immediately take every word out of their mouth with grave skepticism because the requirement to identify as a right winger is either terminal stupidity or willingness to play into fear and anger narratives uncritically. Which is just terminal stupidity with extra steps.
Thing is, around here you have to be very careful to not even sound rightwing. You dare not point out that there’s a reason the right believes a thing without being clear to distance yourself from that reason.
You certainly don’t point out the left’s take on a rightwing opinion is wrong. I see that with gun debates all the time. “Yeah, no one actually says or believes that. It’s more like…” “FUCK YOU CHILD MURDERER!”
Here’s a related example; I’ve been beat up for saying that Trump used to be coherent. Listen to some videos from the 80s or 90s, even early 2000s. You might not agree with his words, but at least he could string a sentence together. That sort of thing gets buried in downvotes, as if I’m agreeing with or apologizing for Trump.
I’ve tried to disagree with the people who have pretty extremist views on abolishing police and the rule of law, unironically supporting anarchy, and the response has been the classic ‘Bootlicker’ insult. It’s extremely frustrating when I’d throw a party to the news the GOP has been dissolved but criticizing the more outlandish left positions gets me my honorary klan hood and thrown onto team red.
Sure I’ve got some ‘hot takes’ by the lefts’ standards but I’m not a conservative in any regard. I think the left is perfectly capable of matching the retardation of the right and I wish we could normalize calling that shit out rather than reflexively going “Ohh so you’re not on my team, your words mean nothing, bootlicker.”
Cause now I’ve got to vote for a party that hates me so the party that hates me more can lose. Yippie.
Don’t fuck with the hive mind. Many a time I’ve taken a reasonable, well-thought out and even sourced opinion and been downvoted to shit.
Shit is happening here on Lemmy too
Yes, however I’ve noticed that you may get downvotes dumped on you initially, oftentimes if your argument is decent you’ll probably rise to level or even positive after several hours. Not sure what it is with Lemmy, but I seem to encounter some comments that get downvoted right off the bat for no reason I can discern. My life doesn’t revolve around internet points, but obviously it’s nice to see upvotes and a good conversation follow a post I’ve added, but lots of downvotes without context are frustrating. Tell my why you disagree or think it doesn’t add to the discussion.
I’ve noticed that too. Sometimes when I get replied to I’ll see that the original comment is slightly in the negative. If I leave another reply and come back later it’ll be slightly in the positive. Maybe there’s some sort of bias at play, but I’ve seen this pattern a few times. Maybe people tend to be convinced by and up vote whoever left the last comment in a chain (had the last word)
All that matters is whether you’re speaking for or against the prevailing assumptions of the site/the subreddit. Most people on the internet are not experts on the topic but somehow already have their minds made up.
Also, Lemmy is not better than Reddit in this regard. Dominant opinion > everything else.
Oh yes, I’ve run into that several times. Worst were the biggest subs like /gaming or /cars. Man, never go against the crowd. I’m 90% sure that those subs are filled with industry shills and fans that won’t let you besmirch a (brand or game or car) and downvote your criticism or negative opinion for obvious reasons.
The most interesting thing is when something is culturally different from the US way of life, then it’s by default wrong.
I was arguing about shopping carts in another sub and, because it is culturally appreciated in the US to return the cart, I argued that we don’t do that in our country because it’s considered unsafe and was called lazy and got heavily downvoted.
That’s unfortunate. So many of these english speaking social media platforms tend to be US point of view dominated. From an American perspective it is difficult to envision a situation where returning a cart is so unsafe that it should be universally avoided and that may have resulted in the downvotes, and it’s certainly conceivable that the inconvenience and refusal to returning a cart could be rationalized over “safety”. It’s not like that sort of rationalization doesn’t happen over other things in daily life. The only thing I could suggest is a offer a why. I’m not suggesting people will become less stubborn over the issue, but at least those who want to learn, will.
Not to restart the discussion but: The whole “returning your cart” thing is a very arbitrary metric reinforced by a meme from around 2020 and has taken hold in the fickle zeitgeist of the internet. Personally I think carts need to be returned because they block parking spaces and can roll into and damage cars. Out of curiosity, why don’t people return carts where you live?
This is how our parking lots look:
Every parking space has a space where you can leave the car to be collected by the employees, usually in the back of the spot. You can see it green in the image. Our parking lots are huge and usually take several floors. For us it makes no practical sense to have to go back all the way to the front, or to inside the store in some cases (like in the case in the photo, where you have to go all the way inside the mall), just to return the cart.
Of course if it happens for people to park near the cart deposit space, they usually return the cart to the stack.
Lots in the US are plenty large as well, so I don’t see that as a factor. But that doesn’t explain the “safety” aspect that was mentioned. It just means your lots are designed to accommodate leaving carts and the employees are accustomed to fetching said carts, not an explanation that led to the design other than perhaps a convenience for customers.
Which doesn’t mean I’m wrong and you’re right. It’s just two different ways of doing the same thing.
On big food courts here the etiquette is to return the tray to the tray holders or to the store, but for small courts or restaurants it’s very common to leave it at the table for the employees to gather. So it is kind of inverse of the cart etiquette. In some places in the world it is common to return the tray, and in some places it is common to leave it at the table. That doesn’t mean either is wrong.
The world is big and different people have different views and cultures and ways of doing every single thing. To tell one is superior to the other when talking about these things that don’t matter so much is to impose you way above anyone else’s to feel superior.
The person that called me lazy was calling everybody where I live lazy because everyone does this thing this way, which is pretty pretentious.
You can have strong opinions about something without being judgmental about how other people live because they don’t do things the way you and your peers do.
Being culturally expected and ingrained isn’t an issue I think needs to be argued about - so long as it doesn’t cause harm. Whatever works in your country is fine. Americans have plenty of their own cultural norms that are generally unacceptable or frowned on in other parts of the world even through they are insignificant in actual meaning. However, again, it doesn’t explain the safety aspect regarding cart return.
Huh?
Yeah! Take that with your stupid right wing opinion that’s different than what is wanted to be heard!
If your opinion is that certain people should have less rights, you have a retarded opinion.
If you’re saying that I do, I never said any of that at all nor did the post.
Right wing opinions are usually wrong. Not always, but overwhelmingly. It’s really to the point that if someone mentions they’re right wing I immediately take every word out of their mouth with grave skepticism because the requirement to identify as a right winger is either terminal stupidity or willingness to play into fear and anger narratives uncritically. Which is just terminal stupidity with extra steps.
Thing is, around here you have to be very careful to not even sound rightwing. You dare not point out that there’s a reason the right believes a thing without being clear to distance yourself from that reason.
You certainly don’t point out the left’s take on a rightwing opinion is wrong. I see that with gun debates all the time. “Yeah, no one actually says or believes that. It’s more like…” “FUCK YOU CHILD MURDERER!”
Here’s a related example; I’ve been beat up for saying that Trump used to be coherent. Listen to some videos from the 80s or 90s, even early 2000s. You might not agree with his words, but at least he could string a sentence together. That sort of thing gets buried in downvotes, as if I’m agreeing with or apologizing for Trump.
I’ve tried to disagree with the people who have pretty extremist views on abolishing police and the rule of law, unironically supporting anarchy, and the response has been the classic ‘Bootlicker’ insult. It’s extremely frustrating when I’d throw a party to the news the GOP has been dissolved but criticizing the more outlandish left positions gets me my honorary klan hood and thrown onto team red.
Sure I’ve got some ‘hot takes’ by the lefts’ standards but I’m not a conservative in any regard. I think the left is perfectly capable of matching the retardation of the right and I wish we could normalize calling that shit out rather than reflexively going “Ohh so you’re not on my team, your words mean nothing, bootlicker.”
Cause now I’ve got to vote for a party that hates me so the party that hates me more can lose. Yippie.
Our political system has two wolves…
The one on the furthest right is retarded… The one on the furthest left… Is also retarded.
Also wait why do both parties hate you?
I have positions the left would hate me for and I have a lot of positions the right would hate me for.
Hey! Fellow centrist.
Shh, not in public, they hate our kind.
Lmfao apparently. What happened here?
At which point have right wing opinions actually helped the majority of people?
They always help people…
^mostly ^white ^men
I mean… Technically white is the predominant ethnicity in America… So like… (งツ)ว
Partisan conservatism is a death cult