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    Q: Are the airstrikes in Yemen working?

    THE PRESIDENT: Well, when you say “working,” are they stopping the Houthis? No. Are they going to continue? Yes.

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        And do you intend to deal with the fallout of their new plan the same way, creating more new plans from them? Or is there an end goal?

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        And is that working? It sounds like their old plan is still running.

        The Houthis are not new at this. They have been the target of literally thousands of airstrikes by Saudi Arabia, but have continued to operate.

        The US is not new at this either. It has decades of experience loosing to much less technically capable forces fighting on their home turf. If history is anything to go by, this is simply not a fight the US military (or any modern military for that matter) is capable of winning.

        • 【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】@lemmy.world
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          They’ve apparently been gaining ground since the coup but I don’t think that’s the case as of the past couple of weeks. Either way anything they’ve won has been through violence and intimidation and not the consent of the people. The people voted and rejected Houthis bullshit twice, elections in which many Houthis refused to participate.

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        Typical blood thirsty, racist and uneducated American thinking. Color me surprised.

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    What ever happened to talking and reaching an agreement and asking for favors and scratching each other back… like now we resort to uncivilized behavior by attacking the poorest countries.

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    Years of Saudi air strikes with US weapons systems ended in a victory for the Houthis. Not to mention causing one of the worst humanitarian situations of the 21st century.

    WTF does the US think it’s gonna do other than escalate the situation (and continue the next record breaking humanitarian crisis)?

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      I stand with anyone doing their part to pressure the US and Israel in ending their genocide. ❤️

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      If you stand with the Yemeni government then you want the Houthis gone.

      Can you even find Yemen on a map.

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        1. Ansar Allah are the legitimate government of Yemen. Anyone who suggests otherwise is delusional.
        2. Not only can I find it, I live directly to the north of it (Saudi Arabia). عاش اليمن الشقيق.
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          Being excited about things doesn’t make them real. You’ll understand that after the tenth or twentieth disappointment.

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            Yemen has already won, the US has been fighting it since 2004, all that’s left is for the US to understand it lost. Though I predict its crazy politicians will keep repeating their mistakes expecting a different outcome.

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              American soldiers definitely lose. Civilians definitely lose. Americans and their military industrial complex have definitely been treating the middle East as a training ground for 2+ decades.

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    The recent US and UK actions can be taken as examples on how to cure the symptom while making the disease worse

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      Here’s an idea:

      The Houthi’s can just not launch missiles at ships

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        Good idea! Here’s another: UK and US stop interferring in middle east (FYI the palestine problem was worsened by magnitudes by the UK mandate)

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        Actually they can’t, they have a legal obligation under the UN Convention on Genocide to take extra-territorial actions in order to stop or prevent genocide. They are acting within international law. The ships going to Israel despite the active genocide are violating international law and complicit in the genocide themselves.

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          How do the Houthis know which ships are going to Israel? Can you prove they’ve only attacked ships bound for Israel?

          Why is there a 39 nation coalition organizing against the Houthis? Aren’t a lot of those nations opposing Israel’s current actions?

          Do you know the Houthis slogan of, “Death to America, Death to Israel, Death to the Jews, Victory to Islam”?

          You’re fighting for the wrong side buddy

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            Oh I wonder why that may be their message? Maybe because those two have a long history in the middle east in destabilizing it and killing innocent people? Do you honestly believe they hate us because they hate our freedom? Unbelievable.

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              Unbelievable that you defend those attacking random supply ships.

              If they’re innocent, why is there a coalition formed against them?

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                So your logic is if there is a collation formed against someone then they’re bad? What about the axis powers during WW2? They had a coalition against some countries does that mean those countries are bad??

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                  There were significantly less nations allied in the axis than what formed against them.

                  Nice try tho

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    I wonder if treating the Houthis as Iranian agents and retaliating against Iranian assets directly would be more effective than playing whack-a-mole against these missile launchers without addressing the source of the problem. I assume Biden’s advisors are wondering the same thing, but it’s hard to know where the line between deterrence and escalation is…

    Iran has enemies. Many of them are even worse than the Iranians, but maybe the thing to do is to find some sympathetic group, arm them, and let them take the heat, just like Iran is doing with the Houthis…

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      Houthis have been getting bombed by Saudi Arabia for I don’t know how many years. If any one thinks that airstrikes will stop their operations then I have a bridge to sell them.

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      but maybe the thing to do is to find some sympathetic group, arm them, and let them take the heat

      Hmm. I wonder if anyone has tried that yet?

      Sympathetic guys armed by the US to fuck with Iran include Saddam Hussein, ISIS and Israel.

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        I don’t think it’s technically correct to say that the US armed ISIS; ISIS seized weapons that the US provided to Iraq.

        Israel does a pretty good job of opposing Iran, and we can be confident that weapons provided to Israel aren’t going to be used against the US. I think it’s likely that the Houthis are acting up now not because they’re provoked by Israel but because Israel is preoccupied with something else.

        As for Saddam Hussein… He did a very good job of opposing Iran. The threat of eight years of war and hundreds of thousands of Iranian soldiers dead would be a very effective stick if we still had access to it. It’s ironic that the weak, pro-Iran government that is the result of US intervention in Iraq seems like it’s worse for US interests than Saddam was.

        • A lot of the people that now sympathize with ISIS are people that the US and other Western countries propped up in various ways to help fight the Soviets.

          The Houthis were friendly with the Soviets. The Soviets were friendly with the imamate.

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          It’s ironic that the weak, pro-Iran government that is the result of US intervention in Iraq seems like it’s worse for US interests than Saddam was.

          Nailed it! (Aside from thinking it’s ironic)

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          a very effective stick if we still had access to it

          We? Who is ‘we’?

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      The nuclear attack on Japan wasn’t intended to defeat them - they were already essentially defeated, just trying to find a more favorable way to lose. The nuclear attack’s purpose was to intimidate the USSR, as a power flex. The reason nuclear weapons are a deterrent isn’t because a couple of nukes hitting your country is a problem - that’s just a minor inconvenience when it comes to war. The reason nuclear weapons are a deterrent is because the countries that do have them have a lot of them, and can destroy not just a couple important cities, but cover your entire country in radioactive waste.

      Not only will your “plan” not achieve its goal, but it will also hurt hundreds of thousands, possibly millions of civilians. I know it’s popular to associate a people with a government, and that’s not completely baseless, but - and I can’t believe I have to say this - that’s absolutely no reason to launch a nuclear attack. That’s just genocidal nonsense. There’s a reason countries at war don’t kill civilians, and it’s not “good will”.

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      Do you actually think America wouldn’t go absolutely ape trying to find who nuked them? Do you not remember 911 when the whole country collectively lost it’s mind?