I hate this relatively new idea that comedy has to be mean. If you have to rile the audience to be funny, you’re not funny.
I just saw this posted on lemmy a while back. It’s so good. lol
For anyone who likes this, his entire show is brilliant and you can buy it for a fairly reasonable price directly from his homepage:
https://www.jamesacaster.com/cold-lasagne/
Honestly one of if not the best Stand-Up routine I’ve seen in the past ten years
If you’re the kind of person that thinks no comedy can be mean, you’re helping to destroy comedy
Just my opinion. If you don’t like it, don’t watch it. Don’t hate those that understand centuries upon centuries of schadenfreude is what made us a funny species
Reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit.
Truly even funnier after watching the video linked
These people aren’t riling up the audience. They’re riling up people the audience doesn’t like.
Also, I’m ok with comedy being “mean”, so long as the target deserves it and it’s delivered in a witty way. Too many “edgy” comedians are just recycling the same joke, which runs counter to the idea that comedy is the Subversion of Expectations.
Mean comedy and riling people up can be funny.
Sure if you the listener is also mean spirited.
Or they recognize them as what they are, jokes.
What constitutes a joke? If I punch you in the face then say, “hey it was just a joke” is it a joke? If the punch hurt you is it because you’re soft?
I’d saying paying to go see a comedian who’s work you are familiar and comfortable with.
If you’re genuinely unsure whether punching someone is a joke then I don’t think you should be joking with people
My God you’re an idiot.
You this?
What constitutes a joke? If I punch you in the face then say, “hey it was just a joke” is it a joke?
Does a mean statement hurt your body in the same physical way as a punch to the face? That’s a really stupid comparison.
Spoken like someone who hasn’t experienced any hardships or loss.
We get it. You’re a victim. Shut up already.
Did you totally leave out a word or did you misconjugate?
You think that’s new?
Kevin Hart aside (I’ll let others talk about what they like or dislike about him) -
I don’t know how anyone thinks that the hollywood “elite” are comedy friendly. I don’t know any celebrities right now that can take a joke about themselves. Either lighthearted or a good ribbing, I just see every one of them being upset and pouty. Sure they’ll laugh at others, but to each one of them they’re untouchable when it comes to jokes.
Personally I liked the humor, for me it humanizes them and it’s like “Okay let’s ground this thing in some reality before we make you feel like you’re the most important people on the planet”, but of course god forbid they remember they’re just like us.
Having seen Kevin Hart live, I’m not surprised.
It was incredibly depressing that his openers (his “Solo cup boys”) made homophobic jokes. One in particular was about how the comedian would be disappointed if his son was gay because he couldn’t take him to the strip club with him.
Sorry that people aren’t receptive to shitty, bigoted jokes any more Kevin. Maybe you and Dave Chappelle can get together and make jokes about trans/gay people to empty audiences.
Or in terms that you’re more familiar with, "you ‘gon learn today!’
If your humor is based on punching down then fuck off, life is shitty enough as it is for most people without having a multi millionaire laughing at them.
Punching down can be funny.
Uh ya might want to look up the term ‘hollywood elite’, what it refers to, then pick another phrase. ‘Overpaid egoists perpetually high on their own farts’ is a good one
It means Jews.
World dominating government manipulating elder protocol Jews at that!
Oh too bad their shows always sell out arenas. Perform to empty crowds? You people live in your heads.
Imagine if these guys were white….
I don’t have to imagine being white
Eh, barely anyone watches these award shows anyway. It’s wealthy narcissism voting for other wealthy narcissists.
I don’t get it, he should be a perfect host then right?
My only rebuttal to this, is the whitehouse correspondance dinner. That’s the whole point of comedy.
Jeselnik said something to this point when he mentioned the Boston marathon bombing. What’s funny about the bombing, nothing. But that’s why there comedians who can find humor in the darkest of places.
Pretty sure Seth Myers caused Trump to run for President tho. Or maybe it was his opening act
I would say Jon Stewart was more influential for Trump running for president. Stewart had him on the Daily Show multiple times trying to lampoon Trump for being a birth certificate denyer towards Obama. Steward continually egged him on, well if you can do better why don’t you run for president?
the less I hear about or see kevin hart, the better. Feel free to remove yourself from more media, kevin.
Same. He’s become the token “loud and safe black guy” in random white people movies.
Why’s that?
Looking around it looks like he made some homophobic jokes in the past.
At, that’s good. Always appreciate it when an actor I dislike does something unacceptable so my hatred can finally be justified to everyone else.
I’m not really understanding the article. Does it mention he was asked to host this year and declined? It almost seems like he’s putting it out there because
A. He’s trying to build controversy so that he’s asked and can either publicly decline or “relunctantly” accept and say that he only did it under the condition that he could say whatever he wanted.
Or B. He asked and they turned him down so he’s saying he never wanted to anyway.
It all sounds fake. He has all the connections he needs to be able to host.
I’m not sure why anyone watches the Oscars, or cares about them, unless you’re somehow involved.
So, whether or not he hosts them… Whatever.
Get Will smith to co host with Chris Rock, and thats the only time I might consider it.
Ricky Gervais. Period.
Ricky Gervais hosting the Golden Globes was pretty fun. Current day Ricky Gervais has been missing a lot lately with his comedy.
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No loss here. Take your jokes and go home. Soooooooo many others who would love the chance.
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Did you think they meant themselves?
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ok, and?
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. People are too easily offended nowadays.
How arrogant do you have to be that you feel that everyone has to only do / say things that don’t offend you?
“The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forego one’s own.” -The Satanic Temple’s Fourth Tenet
However. I also believe the right to be offended is one of the freedoms we all have. There’s a lot of discussion over what this tenet truly means. I believe it should work hand-in-hand with the other tenets, which include “one’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone,” “one should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason,” and “every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.”
I take it to mean that yes, you do have the right to offend, but also to be offended when someone violated your own personal freedoms. To say something that challenges someone’s understanding of the world may offend them, but that doesn’t mean its wrong. However, the use of the freedom to offend should be used sparingly, and with caution.
But if we start telling people they’re not allowed to say things that are offensive to us, then that same logic can turn back on us later when we say something offensive to them. Pretty soon, nobody will be allowed to say anything. People should be free to express their opinions, so long as they abide by the rest of the tenets, in my opinion.
But, that doesn’t mean we need to give people who are out to offend others bigger platforms to spread their messages. We don’t even have to listen to them.
I’m reminded of the famous Voltaire quote, “I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”
This is a complex topic, and I’m worried I’m not making my message clear enough here. Let me try to boil it down to a more direct response.
I do not agree that people are “too easily offended nowadays,” but I do agree that people have the right to say things that might offend. I think people have the right to be offended about whatever they want. But they do not have the right to impose their own beliefs on others. If you want to say something offensive that I don’t agree with, knock yourself out. But if you want to try prohibit me from saying something offensive to you, you can fuck right off.
It’s a fine line. Yes, you have the right to offend others, but not the right to control them.
I know, right? You never see anything like this in the mainstream any more:
What you’re seeing is that people no longer feel the need to keep their mouth shut when they don’t like the joke. In previous generations, they had no platform and, in some cases, their physical safety was at risk. Social media has given them a voice and community where they can share their opinion.
At the same time, corporations only give a shit about profits, not art. They’ll chase whatever makes them more money. If they don’t think that people will watch something, they won’t fund it.
Combine those and you have folks willing and able to tell corporations they won’t buy something they don’t like. But, of course, that can be outweighed by actual purchases. Netflix keeps shoveling money at Chappelle; people must be keeping their subscriptions to watch him. Substack recently announced they’ll host and monetize Nazi newsletters. J.K. Rowling continues to be Andrew Tate for women and pulls huge residual checks.
So if you want more offensive things in the world, seek it out and pay for it. Corporations will churn it out if there is demand. Just don’t expect people to only judge you quietly; they have tools to be loud now.
Does anything offend you?
Yup, but then I just don’t consume that stuff
Oh so people should know whether a person or situation will offend them before they get offended?
They should realise that if it offends them, then stop watching or consuming. Stop purposely misinterpreting what I say.
Well to be fair you don’t really do a good job of explaining yourself.
What’s there to explain? Just don’t consume things that offend you. Simple enough, I’d think.
