• paddirn@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    Utter bullshit and a goddamn disgrace. If any country needs and deserves our help right now, it’s Ukraine.

  • WashedOver@lemmy.ca
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    10 months ago

    What a shame the inaction of one generation is going to mean eventually the younger generations becoming Cannon fodder again due to this burying the head in the sand and giving Putin just what he needs to keep going beyond Ukraine.

    The older generation aren’t fans of the younger generations as it is so this should show them /s

  • AutoTL;DR@lemmings.worldB
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    10 months ago

    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    American military aid for Ukraine has now “ground to a halt”, the White House said on Thursday amid bickering in Congress over a package of support for both Israel and Kyiv.

    Ukraine’s military fears Vladimir Putin’s forces could break through its defensive lines and secure victory for Russia within days if the US does not commit to more aid, with intense fighting still taking place around the key industrial town of Avdiivka, despite the onset of the country’s bitter winter.

    The Republican lawmakers have sought to justify their opposition by complaining that allocating funds for Ukraine does not benefit the US directly and by suggesting that there are no controls on how the money at issue would be spent.

    However, Shalanda Young, the White House budget director, pointed out in her letter that Mr Biden’s request for supplemental appropriations would also pump more than $50bn into US-based defence manufacturing, including bolstering capabilities for building air defence systems, tactical vehicles, and artillery shells made in numerous different states.

    This comes amid intelligence reports showing Russia has been receiving increasing military support from North Korea and Iran for its continuing invasion of Ukraine.

    The Biden administration has repeatedly sought to make the case that the Kremlin has become reliant on North Korea, as well as Iran, for the arms it needs to fight its war against Ukraine and has disclosed intelligence findings that it says show as much.


    The original article contains 604 words, the summary contains 236 words. Saved 61%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!

    • Cinner@lemmy.worldB
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      10 months ago

      Let Russia take Ukraine and have a decade to learn from their mistakes and rebuild. The flyers dropped over the United States of USSR and United Kingdom of USSR will be cut out in the shape of a tiger. Putin will chuckle.

      Dropping aid to Ukraine is the worst possible move we can make.

  • Chickenstalker@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    Ukraine needs to rebuild its own armaments industry. The Russians are content to turtle up. This is good, provided Ukraine uses this lull to build a war economy. The US is the most fickle and unreliable ally. Ukraine must be able to stand alone.

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      10 months ago

      In theory you are right, but in practice it’s damn near impossible to do this while fighting a world power. Only hope is support from allies.

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      10 months ago

      Even if somebody agrees with Israel: they have a large and modern army, plus some nukes for backup. Let them sort their own shit out, while focusing support on a country that absolutely needs it.

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        10 months ago

        they have a large and modern army

        They’re hemorrhaging money and manpower to fight this war, particularly in the wake of the Houthi’s shutting down travel through the Red Sea. If the US were to take a hard line against Israel (as Reagan did when Israel launched a war against Lebanon back in the 80s), the Israelis would be forced to back down for fear of exhausting their supplies too quickly.

        Let them sort their own shit out, while focusing support on a country that absolutely needs it.

        The US has never prioritized needs over political expediency. And the Israel lobby has far more pull in the American Congress than anything Zelensky is fielding.

        Failing to support Ukraine means you’re a bog standard Republican. Failing to support Israel means you’re going to lose your job in either party.

      • Astarii_Tyler@lemmy.world
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        10 months ago

        Ukraine produces 25% of europes food and 70% of the world industrial neon, which is needed for chip production. A famine in europe and giving control over chip production for the next 5 years to russia and china is a lot worse than losing our middle east stronghold.

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          10 months ago

          How much money have you guys been sending to Israel throughout the last 2 decades alone vs. how much money was sent to Ukraine. You guys have money to support genocidal apartheid maniacs (including israeli terrorist settlers) but cut funds when it comes to Ukraine.

          But yes, blame the republicans. Woo! Republicans.

          How much money was sent to Israel during Biden’s administration, Obama’s administration?

          Woo! Republicans.

          But remember, vote blue no matter who ❤️

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            10 months ago

            Republicans are actively blocking any funding for Ukraine. Meanwhile funding for Israel is passing through the house easily. It is literally their fault.

            Stop being a dipshit.

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              Republicans are actively blocking any funding for Ukraine.

              I don’t even think this is strictly true. Republicans simply don’t have a majority to pass a budget of any kind, and no one in the party is willing to compromise with the Democrats to pass a bipartisan bill. Even when the GOP has all three branches, they struggled to pass anything. They’re just bad at legislating.

              Ukraine is collateral damage.

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                10 months ago

                That’s the trick of the GOP… literally all they do is obstruct and destroy any sort of progress the Democrats do end up making lol.

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      10 months ago

      This isn’t an either/or problem… We can do both. We can do both trivially.

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      10 months ago

      This funding is not “for” Ukraine. It’s for the military industrial complex — most of that money stayed in the US.

      I personally haven’t supported 9/10 of US military actions since WW2, but Ukraine is a rare case where I do. So tell me… There are hundreds of billions in other spending that should be scrutinized before Ukraine — Why do you think we should let Putin invade and seize other countries?

      • Candelestine@lemmy.world
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        … hear hear. There are few things I hate more in modern politics than having to align myself with our military-industrial complex, as it feels like a deep and personal betrayal of some of my own strongest and longest-held beliefs.

        But … every tool has its purpose, and this is exactly what they’re for. Would they maybe, just maaaaybe, like … some more money?

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        10 months ago

        I will never understand how people don’t get this fact…the aid is loans to Ukraine and the money goes directly to US weapon manufacturers.

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        10 months ago

        Why do you think we should let Putin invade and seize other countries?

        To be fair America famously does/did

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            10 months ago

            San Marino and Switzerland at least.

            That said, imperialistic conquests of one country do not justify that of another.

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              If we’re bitching about imperialism you really have got to put Switzerland back on that list… It’s introduced and supported turmoil across the world while constantly profiting from it - go visit Zurich or Lucerne sometime and realize just how much international money is supporting every part of their economy.

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              No but it’s hard to cry about imperialism while funding genocidal imperialism.

              No I don’t support Russia but the Biden administration are giant hypocrites

    • NovaPrime@lemmy.ml
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      10 months ago

      And yet the very assholes complaining about Ukraine aid and blocking funding are also complaining about Food Stamps and other “entitlements” and refusing to take free federal dollars for things like child nutrition summer programs. Miss me with the bullshit. As if Republicans gave a fuck about funding the social safety net.