All are welcome in this discussion but this is really more focused on local users of literature.cafe, I’ll leave this post up and pin it for a few days just to get some feedback. Insight from others on other instances are welcome, but please realize that this is a discussion focused on users who use literature.cafe
Our community may be small, but I do want to know peoples thoughts before anything.
For those who do not already know, hexbear is on our defederation list.
With that being said there’s another thing that some might not already know. I am a practicing reform Jew. I am by no means a perfectly observant Jewish man but I am quite a lot more religious than most I think. I wear a kippah, try my best to keep kosher, and participate in the religious rites of Judaism as well as participate in prayers and community events. It is primarily why I started this instance as reading and books are a core cultural aspect in being Jewish. Knowledge is power, and we aren’t called the people of the book for nothing. As well, I am extremely involved in the Jewish community and know many Jewish leaders across the country and the world due to my stints of working as a “Jewish professional.”
Being a practicing Jew in a culture with rapidly rising antisemitism is extremely exhausting both in real life and online, and unfortunately that exhaustion was maximized on Reddit at times in regards to interacting with specific communities. One such community that I had pretty bad experiences with the specific subreddit that hexbear spawned from. Right now I’m pretty reserved about talking about Judaism and my faith as there isn’t a Jewish focused community on here, but when (not if) one comes I will very much be active there.
And this leads into the elephant in the room that always is brought whenever I bring my Jewishness up: I am not Israeli, nor have I ever been to Israel but I have worked with Israelis and am friends with quite a few Israeli Jews. I rarely if ever discuss the topic of Israel & Palestine even within my own community because of how charged it tends to be, but especially online it is a topic I actively avoid due to the stress and antisemitism I have faced over it. My ideals and opinions in regards to that can pretty much summed up “fuck fascists” and “I pray for peace.”
I have more opinions on the matter, specifically on my very direct hatred of Netanyahu as well as more detailed knowledge of just how completely fucked the Knesset is and how bad things really are there. I speak a bit of a Hebrew, and know some of the political stuff that goes on there. Things are bad, and are likely only going to get worse there not just for Palestinians but for that entire region as a whole due to the war mongering nature of the new government there.
Criticizing Israel and it’s current fucked up fascist government is not antisemitic, but holding all Jews accountable for the crimes of the Israeli state absolutely is. Immediately asking a random Jewish person about their feelings on Israel isn’t inherently antisemitic but it feels extremely hostile and often contributes to an environment of generally feeling unsafe as a Jewish person especially in left leaning spaces. It feels as if you’re trying to pin down whether or not we’re a “good jew” or a “bad jew.”
When the community hexbear spawned from existed on reddit, the antisemitism I witnessed during brigades were some of the most egregious on the site outside of r/conspiracy. That is why I blocked that instance per-emptively, as I felt the antisemitism I directly experienced in that community would follow here if federation was enabled.
I had a pretty productive discussion with an admin from hexbear in a matrix chat, and to be quite honest it made me realize my bias towards the entire community wasn’t probably the most fair. The team is different there than the subreddit, and the admin made it clear antisemitism is not tolerated.
I know the community is controversial across the lemmyverse, but I am willing to attempt federation. The admin offered to add our instance to their allowlist and refederate, and if there’s issues that arise we can just reblock.
I’m curious of peoples thoughts on the matter. Overall this instance isn’t politically focused, but books in large part do have a political nature to them. It’s hard to deny that authoritarianism and the free consumption of literature is fundamentally incompatible.
What instances were they planning to disrupt?
Yes.
In other words it wasn’t selective. They explicitly stated in the thread that the goal was to disrupt lemmy.
Even one of the admins blatantly said in one of the posts about being defederated that they would “be most effective” in political and news C/s. Their goal as a group is to go out and convert people, or if that fails, then to disrupt normal activities everywhere
Wow. They want to convince people to be socialists with words.
Forget defederation, let’s round them up and stick them in camps.
Dude. I’m socialist, mostly.
There’s a difference between engaging in conversations in good faith as they occur, and seeking out places to actively derail converasations with off topic proselytizing.
The first is fine. Idgaf what belief system it is, I can have a conversation. That conversation may be as short as “go fuck yourself” if that belief system is filled with hate, but I don’t object to the person having the conversation.
What I’m not fine with is assholes just interrupting a real conversation with propaganda rather than genuinely talking. It’s bullshit, it’s rude, and that was their stated goal.
Stated where?
In multiple places?
The initial Federation post, on posts on other instances where there was debate about defederating from them, on other posts organizing a brigade. All over the place.
Hey uh, lets not joke about that kinda stuff. OP here, Jewish, you know…
Queers and socialists were sent to the camps too, fam. Hell, they invented the term “Jewish Bolshevism” to point the base at the two things they hated the most.
This conversation is very heavy on buzzwords, but I haven’t seen much in the way of concrete examples of their disruption.
If you’re seeing first hand evidence of organized brigading do what you gotta do but this conversation sounds like a red scare to me, because the most disruptive thing I’ve seen them do is refuse to admit the Palestinian conflict isn’t as simple as aggressor and victim, and that just makes them privileged dummies.
I didn’t realize if you were being serious or not mainly cause its 2am here and I am half asleep but also sarcasm doesn’t translate well on the internet and definitely not well with my neurodivergent ass self tbh
Like I had said though, I had some bias that carried over and I am questioning it and this thread is dedicated to getting peoples thoughts on it