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As a non-American, I beg you, get rid of Trump. You’re the most powerful country in the world, your election has so much impact outside your borders, we are looking at it and are expecting…
What happens in November ? We don’t know and it’s kinda scary…
As an American, we don’t know either and it’s terrifying.
Most of us know, and are just as terrified as you are. We’re just gerrymandered out of any ability to actually affect the process rationally.
Sorry not most, barely half. A fucktonne of the right still support him.
No, I’m sticking with most. We’re just gerrymandered enough that the smaller group can exert an outsized influence over the rest of us.
I like your optimism but unfortunately cannot share it. Too many IRL experiences to convince me that sane people are anything but a 30% minority nationwide.
I’ve had those experiences too, but the data doesn’t support that conclusion. Far from being the “silent majority,” they’re actually a very loud minority. If our elections were truly fair, they’d never have been given the time of day.
They’re only about a third. That’s not really solace, though. The Nazis only had about 30% support, as did Mussolini. That’s all it takes for fascism to succeed.
We’re trying. 60 million of us (about 18%) are mentally defective backward degenerates that hold disproportionate power in our idiotic electoral system. The tyranny of this minority brought you trump.
As a Canadian, its never been so divided as when the previous president was in power. Are we divided? Yes.
As bad as when Cheeto Dorito was in power? Absolutely not.
We have little say in that. You need to ask pootin.
Yeah I’m so excited to vote for genocide joe over the criminally insane orange.
I’m excited to actually be able to vote in 2028. That’s what I’m voting for.
These names you keep giving politicians… Why?
Is it hatred against career politicians?
A way for people to remember bad things they’ve done?
Is it mostly tongue in cheek?Legitimately curious
Because they aren’t very bright and they need it to be simple. They’ve found a mindless mantra they can recite and, by golly, they’re going to keep saying it.
why is everyone mad that I hate both candidates lol.
I said it pretty clearly, I’m not happy that I have to vote for an incumbent who I didn’t want just because the alternative is objectively worse.
Also because I like calling people funny names.
why is everyone mad that I hate both candidates
I assure you, no one is mad that you hate both sides. They’re “mad” because you oversimplified a ridiculously complicated situation with huge global ramifications, in an attempt to equate both sides because you think holding that position makes you smart and independent…when in reality it is neither smart nor independent.
I didn’t equate both sides though, I said I hate Biden and Trump is objectively worse.
That doesn’t mean I’m not going to vote for him or not vote at all.
My whole point is that I am not looking forward to voting for him knowing that he is much much better than Trump, but that he will not change his policies, which I disapprove of.
Because the average voter is as mature as the average politician, I guess. ‘Of the people’ and all that jazz.
All of the above lol.
Genocide Joe because of his obvious involvement in Gaza and because of his copy paste foreign policy from the Obama administration
Criminally insane orange because he has been criminally charged multiple times, acts insane, and is also orange lol.
It’s just too easy to make fun of them because the two party system heavily restricts your ability to vote for a candidate that you actually want or need.
So every election period always starts off with a candidate who I almost always didn’t want or vote for, and immediately expect nothing from which is usually what happens.
There’s only one group of people that use that name, stop pretending to be moderate.
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Then go to moscow I’m sure they’ll make a place for you at the troll farms.
uh what?
Wow I came here to get away from shitstains like you…
unfortunatly idiots like that are all over this place and completely remove the ability to have an actual rational discussion without them wedging that one topic into every fucking conversation
You’re either voting for America or Gilead.
Blessed be the fruit
Under his orange skin
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I think that argument might convince people to vote for trump tbh. More and more it looks like the US had way too much power and uses it for evil and maybe voting for the dude that will cause its downfall will be the best thing for the rest of the world
As a part of “the rest of the world” I say you clearly : no. I don’t want Trump nor Gilead. I prefer corporate America other that.
Genocide and climate apocalypse, or genocide and climate apocalypse.
This is not ending with a Biden win. If Trump loses there are others waiting to take up the mantle. People that will look better (not physically) on paper so to speak. They will appeal to the more Traditional conservative, the mainstream.
A Trump loss will force MAGA back, after a bit of grumbling and violence, then they will become quiet. Not all of them. But the next fight will be 2026, 2028, 2030, etc. Though my belief thinks a better than Trump candidate will definitely be 2028 the next presidential election.
This Insurrection isn’t over for them…just like the Civil War never ended for them. They have patience.
We must remain vigilant and push for more equality for all.
The impossible needs to happen. We need constitutional amendments to further define and protect our democracy. But that would require those in power to be willing to close the gaps to limit individuals and party power, and I think very few in state houses (states have to ratify amendments) or Congress want to do that. It’s like the poor man who wants to protect the rich man’s wealth from taxes because someday he will be rich too.
A constitutional amendment will never occur again, because it is an incredibly high bar to overcome even when the legislative process in the country isn’t as dysfunctional.
One party would need a super majority in both houses of Congress, where the bar is 2/3 but you’re probably going to need at least ten more than that to prevent the amendment from being scrapped by a contingent of Joe Liebermans.
Then that same party will need a majority in the state legislatures of 38 states to ratify the amendment.
It’s just not going to happen.
Completely agree.
Although if we could get away from the partisan political mess we have now and get back to when members would work together instead of punishing them for crossing the isle there could be a chance. Maybe in 40 or 50 years, but that’s still a chance.
https://www.vox.com/2015/4/23/8485443/polarization-congress-visualization
A house divided and all that.
I would say less patience and more persistent.
You also need to look around you and realize that you have been governed by authoritarian fascists for the past 100 years continuously
So then do nothing and not participate right?
That’s your stupid conclusion
What are you even fucking offering then?
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It’s not the scary foreigners. It’s “our” rich people who have bought out the system and molded it to their liking. Capitalism always turns into fascism as the system crumbles under its own weight unless something drastic occurs.
Funny story, it’s both
Can’t wait for the supreme court he installed to vote to let us vote for him
Welcome to 2024, the year the two party system wins the elections again, peasants keep getting exploited and the rich becomes richer
The two-party system winning would suck, but not as much as Trump’s one-party system winning.
If both choices suck just pick another one, you are not supposed to vote for any of them
Absolutely, if we had fair elections that made third parties viable. We don’t and they aren’t.
Chugging lemon juice and chugging arsenic would both suck. I would much rather choose myself than leave that one up to chance.
You don’t get lemon juice if arsenic wins the election.
Yeah you aren’t guaranteed the result you want in an election.
I would choose water
As is your right.
Unfortunately you wake up to find arsenic has won.
The two party system winning over trump would truly be the biggest win of our lives.
yeah, a bunch of corrupted fascists and genocide supporters greedy for money who brought humanity to the bring of extinction with their wars and polluting the environment for profits winning again and staying in power would be the biggest win of your lives.
If we’re including the environment then it’s even more of a no brainer what a massive loss it would be for trump to win, he would undo and block as much as he could. Biden might not be doing enough, but at least we’re going in the right direction. Trump would make sure we go backwards.
If you think supporting a genocide is going in the right direction i have bad news for you
Oh so now all of the other things don’t count again? lol
Gimme a break. We said the same shit about Bush in 2004.
“Vote or die” was a huge campaign movement.
Can I ask how old you are? Because it was absolutely nothing like it is now in 2004. The vote or die thing wasn’t literal, it was just an attempt at a making voting cool to get young people out to vote.
I’m 34. There absolutely were people talking about a fascist bush/Cheney regime in 2004. Sure things are different now, but they’re still very much the same.
I’m 34. There absolutely were people talking about a fascist bush/Cheney regime in 2004. Sure things are different now, but they’re still very much the same.
If you are 34: You were at most 10 years old when Bush won in Nov. 11, 1999, and at most 18 years old when he left office. You were a child. You didn’t vote. You really don’t know if things were “very much the same”.
“You could never understand historical events if you weren’t literally alive and a full grown voting adult to see them”
What a fucking shit take. Have you never commented on a single thing you weren’t alive for? Stop being so reactionary, not every election is “the most important in our country’s history”. Again, gimme a break.
I would like to note that they only example you’ve provided to equate the two is that p-diddy used s common figurative saying in an attempt to make voting cool.
One can certainly understand things, to an extent, that happened when they were young or before they were born. But if this is the meat of your argument, let alone appearing to be the entirety of it, this is not one of those times.
And you know what? They were right, they were just off on the timing. Bush’s administration (and frankly Clinton’s before him, to a lesser degree) normalized a lot of more-flaunting that’s only just coming to fruition.
A disdain for the truth. A mistrust of our electoral process. Utilizing consecutive emergencies to hold on to power (also known as the Julius Caesar doctrine). Projecting the appearance of strength at any cost. Never admitting to misconduct. Fighting against (and convincing your supporters to fight against) things that would’ve previously been bipartisan just because it could help the other party politically. Overlooking malfeasance because of party alliance (and overlooking positive qualities because of disloyalty). Showboating for cable news. All of those things led directly to Donald Trump in 2016, because they were torn down piece by piece in 1996-2004.
This false equivalency doesn’t acknowledge that nations very rarely fall in one swift stroke; it’s a slow but steady erosion of the fabric of decency. And maybe you’re right this time, too; maybe Trump will surprise us all and not do the things he said he would do, like be a dictator on his first day in office or deport non-Christians or pardon convicted criminals who are loyal to him.
But what about the next guy? The one who sees the promises Trump is making and thinks, “this but unironically”? The guy who sees how far Trump has pushed the envelope and how much he’s disregarded mores and is willing to push it down the field a little bit more? What about the guy in 2032 who thinks Trump’s “first day dictatorship” didn’t go far enough? What’s to stop him?
It’s not a slippery slope fallacy when we’re actually slipping down the slope.
And we won’t fix it next time if we won’t fix it now. They’ll just keep moving the Overton Window until they’ve normalized an outright empire.
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The good news is that a bunch of Trumpets are now convicted felons. Those idiots really thought the police were on their side.
To be fair I think a lot of police would have been on their side if they thought cheetolini had a chance at his soft coup.
FAR to many hard right cops
Some of them were the police.
The police are on their side, typically, because they both rabidly protect the wealth class. They usually bark in the yard outside… It’s just on January 6 they went a little too far into the mansion, got their muddy paws on the rug, had to get their snouts bopped by the estate enforcers.
IMO, the Police are only on their own side. As long as they don’t make a spectacle about it, they have supreme authority to do whatever they want within their districts.
They’ll sacrifice their lives for a person who is demonstrably the actual biggest loser in history, and he just gets more loser-y, folks, okay… If any of you are starting to have your memories fade, here’s a quick refresher to read this morning and then copy and send to your aunt karen in Missouri.
- 0 re-elections won
- 1 term president
- 2 times impeached
- 3 marriages
- 4 inch lifts in his shoes
- 5 kids, from 3 different mothers
- 6 bankruptcies
- 7 US Capitol police suing him for Jan 6 terrorist insurrection and murder of police
- 8 trillion + dollars added to the US debt in a single term
- 9 trump lawyers sanctioned by federal judge for lying in frivolous election fraud lawsuits and ordered to pay defendant’s legal fees
- 10 years that trump paid $0 in income taxes between 2000 and 2015. ($0 to cops, teachers, roads, prisons, disaster relief, etc)
- 11 trump associates charged with serious crimes over the past 5 years
- 12 million votes (the big lie) - trump claims he won the 2020 election by 12 million votes when in reality, he lost by about 7 million votes.
- 13 of August, 2021 - one of multiple days that trump was supposed to magically become president again according to Qanon and a crack addicted pillow salesman (the two most respected information sources in the gop)
- 14 year old girl in a youth choir that trump approached in 1992 to say, “Wow! Just think - in a couple years I’ll be dating you.”
- 15 originally confirmed cases of COVID in the US trump said would soon be, “down to close to zero.” followed by, “like a miracle, it will disappear.” - over 1,000,000 Americans have since died of COVID and it continues to kill 4 years later.
- 16 years old - age of daughter ivanka when she hosted “miss teen” pageant and, according to long time trump associate Noel Casler, “trump called her over in the middle of a rehearsal and had her give him a lap dance while he leered at the crew.”
- 17 known trump and russia investigations from local, state and federal prosecutors
- 18 gop senators that ignored trump threats / warnings and supported Biden admin’s infrastructure bill.
- 19 as in COVID19 - trump was verified as the single largest source of disinformation on the virus, with a Cornell study claiming that 38% of the “misinformation conversation” originated with trump
- 20 the day in January, 2021, when Biden was sworn in despite trump inciting a violent insurrection to stop election verification at the US Capitol.
- 21 gun salute that trump ordered for himself when he left office after a humiliating defeat, even though he never served in the military, famously called military members “losers” and “suckers” and actively avoided the draft with a cowardly “bone spurs” excuse.
- 22 date in August, 2021, when Alabama hate rally crowd booed trump for finally saying people should get vaccinated, only after 700,000 Americans have died due mostly to his failure as president
- 23 as in wrestlemania 23 in 2007 where trump, a cartoon level failure with no other prospects, participated in a fake bet that a proxy wrestler would win a fake fight on his behalf or he would shave his wig and hair plugs off.
- 24 day in August, 2021, when trump actually filed a lawsuit in Florida court against YouTube, a private company, demanding that they reinstate his YouTube channel like a desperate, irrelevant embarrassment with no platforms left to abuse.
- 25 plus credible sexual assault allegations against trump, spanning decades and with accusers starting as young as 13 years old at time of assault.
It’s great to see this optimism here. Wish I could muster that. Everything he’s done seems so impossible to me but time after time he wins and wins and gets away with so many terrible things. There is an ocean of support behind this madness and it seems like things aren’t nearly different enough than they were 8 years ago. I once thought him being elected was impossible, now it feels almost inevitable. A star is collapsing and he is the black hole at the center. I hope you are right, I support these efforts and I’m not giving up, but man it’s hard not to feel futillistic when the horned beast arises from the gauntlet unscathed time after time.
Not if Thomas or Kavanaugh have anything to say about it.
I have zero faith in Thomas or Alito. Gorsuch and Kavenaugh, while bad overall, have managed to surprise me a few times. While both were appointed by Trump, they haven’t been the MAGA loyalists I expected so far.
Gorsuch actually wrote the majority opinion on Bostock v Clayton County, guaranteeing sexual orientation as a protected class. He’s also been a defender of Native American rights and his Originalist tendencies focusing on Founders Intent when it comes to legislation may be helpful since those actually barred from office following the Civil War weren’t convicted in a court prior to their prohibition from office. He also Clerked under Justice Kennedy.
Kavenaugh has always been a partisan. He was Counsel for George W Bush and the was an author of the Star Report leading to the impeachment of Clinton. His approach to the law involves strict interpretation of language, and less of a focus on intent. The question of whether the 14th amendment applies to the President will be a big part of his decision, as other elected positions are specifically named.
But he also Clerked for Kennedy, and has been less-partisan than expected from the bench. He’s the idealolgical center of the Court (the most-partisan justices are Alito, Thomas, and Kagan). He voted with Roberts (the least-partian justice) 95 percent of the time in the last term, and the justice with whom he disagreed more than any other was actually Thomas.
He was also the majority opinion on 96 percent of cases, though that’s a little misleading because the justices agree more than they don’t. The justice with the lowest rate of being in the majority last term was Thomas followed by Alito, who were still in the majority on 76 and 80 percent of cases, respectively.
And even Barrett could have been worse, though she’s definitely the worst of the 3, and even more painful is that she replaced RBG. Interestingly though, Dobbs v Jackson is the only 5-4 case where she joined the majority opinion during her tenure.
Idealogically, all 3 Trump appointees are closer to center than any of the liberal justices. I don’t like any of them, but the worst justices on the Court are still Thomas and Alito.
*any republicans
Need guard rails to stop intersection in general, for all future A-holes.
Seems like we dragged this out almost on purpose so that it would become a serious election issue.
This should have been dealt with in 2020 and concluded with lots of jail time.
Why do I keep getting posts 24+hrs after they’re posted? I’m gonna guess timezones.
[X] Doubt
Press X to curbstomp a nazi
I’m excited with how much steam/momentum Vivek Ramaswamy is getting. He’s the first politician running under the Republican party that I know would actually be GREAT for the country since Ron Paul. There are literally no other candidates in the two major parties that are worth their weight in a sneeze.
Edit: How do I already have three downvotes less than one minute after posting this? What kind of bot bullshit do we have going on here? I can’t imagine people are THAT blinded by their biases.
The annoying billionaire who acts like a sleazy used car salesman? The guy who has been praising and endorsing Trump during his own campaign (nice strategy there)? The guy who made a large chunk of his money by investing in a business started by his friend, Martin Shkreli (who was sent to prison for fraud)?
Yeah, seems like a pretty good Republican candidate to me. I can’t imagine why anyone would downvote your opinion on Lemmy, of all places. It must be bots.
Bruh, trump is your daddy. Every other fucktard republican is an insignificant gnat.
He’s just as unhinged as Trump and that’s why you’re being downvoted, but okay, I’ll bite the obvious bait… What about his platform do you think is so great for America?
Ron Paul is essentially the father of the Tea Party wing of the Republicans, which with all of their “Stop Obama” campaigns and fear-mongering paved the way for Trump and the far-right turn of the GOP. His brand of Libertarianism revels in a house divided and non-working. He is a walking billboard for ‘starve the beast’ political ideology, where government programs are neutered to the point of being useless, and therefore justifying their cancelation. Ron Paul has helped to serve you the America you currently live in. Fuck Boy Ramaswamy is a pale comparison of Paul, in that he spouts some of the rhetoric, but I get the impression he has even less ideological fortitude, and is very much in it for himself. For all Ron Paul’s faults, he has been principaled in his politics (even if they are to the detriment of the country).
