• xor@sh.itjust.works
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    9 months ago

    what’s really cool is this plus telomerase will give us a youth serum

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      9 months ago

      what’s really cool is this plus telomerase will give the extremely wealthy a youth serum

      FTFY

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          9 months ago

          Godammit lemmy. Can’t we even enjoy a fucking cancer cure for a few minutes before the communist ranting begins?

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            9 months ago

            Nope. I’m constantly on the edge of quitting lemmy because of this shit.

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              It is kind of an annoyance. I don’t even think communists are all the way wrong tbh. I think there must be a middle path between what we’ve seen historically in communist countries and the slavish capitalism of the United States.

              Thing is that isn’t the sole and single thought in my mind.

              Like, I can see a scientific breakthrough for instance and be amazed and grateful.

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                Just in to say, not middle ground, different path. It’s not a 2d spectrum, despite what they teach us

                The way I see it, authoritarianism and centralization are the big bad - capitalism works great with intense competition (it just incentivizes the opposite), and communism doesn’t require central planning

                You have to minimize and have constant churn in every locus of power, or power hungry people will be drawn in and entrench themselves

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      Here’s the thing: we’re not getting many people to the natural limits of the human body’s age much less working out ways to go past that.

      Jeanne Louise Calment was 122 when she died. There’s a hypothesis that she switched identities with her mother at some point, but most scientists who study aging don’t consider it credible. Many other supercentenarian claims don’t hold up; they often come from places that had bad record keeping a century ago, and they just forget how many birthdays they’ve had. 115 seems the typical limit for most people, but even that might have very few legit claims.

      There are so few people who make it that far that they’re basically rounding error even when including incorrect claims. Monaco has the highest average life expectancy at 87. We should be able to add almost 30 more years to that before we even talk about extraordinary youth serums.

      Better cancer treatments will be part of getting us there, but far from the only factor.

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        telomeres are cells’ biological clock… they get shorter with each division, and is the general cause of your body breaking down, round the 80’s.
        telomerase and other chemicals can reset those telomeres, but also cause the body’s existing precancerous cells to go malignant. (telomeres also limit cancer cell growth, and creating telomerase is one of the mutations required for full on cancer)
        so, if we can regrow cells telomeres without causing cancer… we have a youth serum.
        but there’s already other telomerase gene therapy in development anyways…

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        One of the “blue zones” (places with long lives) famously had:

        1. No birth certificates
        2. A post war government pension to anyone over 60

        So lots of 40 year olds in 1940 suddenly claimed to be and were recorded as 60. Then in 2000 100 (80), then in 2020 120 (100)

        So what appeared to be exceptional lifespans were really just fraud

        Though our telomere limit appears to be 120 or so, so maybe some are trying the truth

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      How so? Cancer is something that one would be statistically likely to get eventually if you didn’t first die of anything else I suppose, so it’d certainly be useful in extending effective lifespan if you already had a youth serum, but how would a treatment for cancer do anything for other age related disease?

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        You get cancer all the time your body has natural mechanisms of finding and breaking down the cancerous cells. As we age some of these mechanisms start to falter, cells divide, but small errors over time accumulate.

        A youth serum is really not the goal, the goal is fixing errors in these systems, maintaining current functions and creating a new mechanism.

        This would work like a booster for this mechanisms and effectively make it possible to maintain and improve these systems. The side effect being an increase lifespan to some degree.

        I suppose this I just the cancer component, but several other things are still needed on the field of longevity research for a “youth serum” to be viable.