Ive seen that pixelfed and peertube have the ability to add a licence to content. I think this would be great for everyone so we can get ahead of threads and have collective bargaining power when they inevitable put our content between ads.
Heres the pixelfed duscyssion on the issue: https://github.com/pixelfed/pixelfed/issues/13 Here is mastadons discussion: https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/20079
Im not sure if lemmy has a discussion yet i may create one later if one doesnt already exist.
Sync and maybe some other apps already put ads next to posts. Ironically this post specifically had an ad next to it.
As for bargaining power, bargaining for what? Ad revenue? Are you serious? No thank you, you’re asking for reddit but worse. You’ll get ad farmers submitting garbage content overnight. I know Facebook is going to profit off my *waves hand* fucking everything. That’s the price I pay for participating in an open system. That’s the state of the internet right now. Everything gets monetized by everyone except you. If you don’t like it, disconnect. There are literally trillions of dollars against you, any action you take will only make it worse for everyone else, because these companies have the money to force judgements in their favor.
Welcome to life. It fucking sucks here.
Edit: an analogy I thought of would be this: you’re talking loudly in a small, private park that has no fence. The only thing that indicates that it’s privately owned is a little sign that says, “Property of Lemmy.world”. Anyone passing by on the street can overhear your conversation. Someone decides to set up a viewing platform on the street where they charge money for people to come and gawk at you from the viewing platform. There’s absolutely nothing illegal about doing that. There’s nothing illegal about someone taking notes on what they overheard. There’s nothing illegal about someone selling their notes either. Because they aren’t officially entering the park, there’s no TOS for them to sign, nor an Eula that binds them. Your trying to impose restrictions on someone outside of the park’s jurisdiction. Sometimes, people are successful at doing that, but generally it comes at the detriment of everyone else’s experience.
Sync and maybe some other apps already put ads next to posts. Ironically this post specifically had an ad next to it.
It would be so funny if commercial clients would then have to hide non-commercial content. So much for tearing down walls and building bridges…
If you don’t like it, disconnect.
I agree with your comment, but just have to point out this is where I’m at. I have no interest interacting with Threads and blocking the instance on Lemmy only blocks posts (not Threads users’ ability to comment throughout federated instances).
I was about to resume working on growing a community I created and planned on making a few more, but I have zero interest in my communities interacting with Threads.
I thought I found a great new home in lemmy.world, but I’m getting ready to strip my community of all my content and stop my donations to .world. If I wanted to deal with Meta users, I’d use one of their privacy/rights infringing platforms…
I know this is a divisive topic and I’m not interested in debating it here.
I was going to link to a recent comment of mine in which I actually state my argument, but lo and behold the post full of negative comments regarding Threads federation is gone!
That seems like some bullshit, so I’m going to share my comment here:
I see many people purporting that users blocking Threads on an individual basis as a solution, but it’s not… Blocking Threads will not prevent Threads users’ comments in federated instances from showing up.
Even if you block Threads, you will still see hateful, harassing, and extremist content and misinformation.
Furthermore, even if it did block Threads engagement entirely on an individual blocking basis, it is still a failure on the instance admins to adequately protect their users and cultivate a healthy community.
.world admins defederated with exploding heads due to hate, harassment, and extremism/misinformation. Why would they then federate with Threads which harbors the same toxic users?
It’s a move to bring more users into the Fediverse, but it comes with costs and risks that do not justify the short-sighted gain of more users and inching towards becoming mainstream.
Threads has been subject to mass amounts of radicalizing, extremist content, and there have also been instances of users having personal information doxxed on Threads due to Meta’s information-harvesting practices. [1]
Threads was marketed to be open to ‘free speech’ (read: hate speech and misinformation) and encouraged the Far-Right movement to join, who have spread extremism, hate, and harassment on Threads already. [2] Threads has been a hotbed of Israel-Palestine misinformation/propaganda. [3]
They fired fact-checkers just prior to Threads’ launch [1], however they claim they will have 3rd party fact-checkers next year. [4]
Meta/FB/Instagram has a rampant history of illegal and unethical practices, including running experiments on their users which affected their moods and induced depression in many uninformed, non-consenting subjects. [5] Such unethical experiments could affect federated users as well.
(Edit: As @massive_bereavement reminded me, Meta also assisted in genocide! [6])
Meta/FB/Instagram also have a strong history of facilitating the spread of misinformation and extremism, which contributed to the January 6th insurrection attempt. [7]
If exploding heads was defederated with because of this sort of toxic extremism, why would they want to federate with a platform plagued by that same content? One known for shortcomings moderating it? And one which comes from a company with a long history of unethical and illegal practices regarding users?
Due to these issues and Meta’s rampant history of unethical and illegal business practices, there should be no federation with Threads for the well-being of the users in this instance.
I have donated to the .world instance since my first week here, but should they continue with federating with Threads, I will be cancelling my donations and finding an instance that won’t undermine the safety and well-being of their users for a boost of (largely toxic) new users and an inch towards being mainstream.
The gains are immediate but minimal, and come at great costs which do not warrant federating with Threads (IMO).
I’m around 100 percent with you.
Like we’re more than a million users, let it grow organically, not in some Reddit meme-crap way (or fusioning with fucking Facebook, guess how well that will go yeah).
But I have a question, I have blocked threads on my instance, I mean if there are no shenanigans (there will be ofc) are my instances safe? How does it work say if a user from my instance goes to lemmy.world? Isn’t it quite important that all servers block them off?
Cheers and fuck meta Facebook & threads
Threads was marketed to be open to ‘free speech’ (read: hate speech and misinformation) and encouraged the Far-Right movement to join, who have spread extremism, hate, and harassment on Threads already.
I can block nazi accounts myself. No need for thought police.
They can place ads under CCBYNC photos though. It just would mean people cant sell the photos themself not the space around the photos
Really how is using my content to get people to view your ads not using it for commercial purposes?
They’re not using your content they’re using their own websites screen space
So a licwnce forbidding the showing of content on a page with ads would solve this problem?
Unlikely that any of us can answer this question properly unless we happen to know detailed laws for every country in the world. If we want a real answer we can trust then we’d need a statement from someone like the EFF otherwise our “licence” is barely more than one of those chain-letter comments saying “I do not give Facebook the right to do X”.
So a licwnce forbidding the showing of content on a page with ads would solve this problem?
Your comment could not be googled either. You’re aware of that, right?
Also: Welcome to fair use, the amazing provision that got snuck in the DMCA which is otherwise a shitshow. Not only does this allow English Wikipedia to use copyrighted movie posters in articles about those movies, it’s also the backdoor used legitimizing reaction videos. People could quote your comments, make a reaction around them, boom, fair use.
No system is perfect. Just because there are issues with one licensing setup doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try another.
They can place ads under CCBYNC photos though.
It depends. If the photographer uploads the photo to a platform, the photographer gives that platform permission to use it under the platform’s EULA. The platform cannot legally crawl the web for NC images and then make money off placing ads around them.
Do you think the following would fly in a court? “We, the Walt Disney Corporation, do not profit off the non-commercial assets used in the Avengers movie that we found on an asset store. We profit of everything around those assets. Those assets are distributed free of charge, the movie around those assets isn’t.”
This is as dumb as idea as charging for links eg Canada or fucking reposting a terms of service on your Facebook page. And you’ll just go steal some content from YouTube because it’s not stealing it’s copying 🤣
Take whan happened in canada with a grain of salt cause that’s as monopoly vs monopoly, of course the outcome is gonna be as functional as a 2 y/o whining contest
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Explicitly denying a list of companies, e.g. Meta for now, is likely more legally defensible and gets around the issue of indie devs (who mayhap have TOS that allow ads, and it’s the eye of the user that sees the ads, still patreon or straight up paid apps are more in keeping with the fediverse IMO). It also makes the point very specific that these assholes are unwelcome. Perhaps the EFF or someone could draft something… Trick would be to update it as new pricks enter the arena, but that doesn’t seem unachievable.
I think we should just create content for our own joyous reasons and know that people who monetize other people’s content are empty vessels who will never experience God’s grace.
You can’t wait on “god” to solve your problems. Licensing should be handled instance wide to prevent co.panies from freely stealing content.
i dont have a problem with licensing on my instance, so this solves for a problem i do not have.
my instance publicly federates, so i dont have an expectation that the federating instances wont use the federated content for whatever the fuck they want
stealing federated content? thats the dumbest thing ive heard today.
im not sure why we have to treat threads differently than every other instance that is also using the content for whatever.
people are literally just so upset that ‘meta’ is even involved, they want to block them at all costs out of nothing more than spite. that their content ‘0h noooes my memes are next to ads!’ is federated and shown on remote sites, and that site happens to be threads, freaks them the fuck out.
but there isnt any real reason to be doin all this. its pure corporate hatred. i just wish they would admit that instead of pretending they have an actual, technical reason.
The problem is that they are thousands times bigger than us. All our voices will be drowned out, in what we all know, is an ad-driven post contest.
We can whine and cry but their predatory algorithms will just chew on our content and spit it back in, filled with ads, misinformation et al.
That’s why we dont want to federate with threads/facebook.
The problem is that they are thousands times bigger than us. All our voices will be drowned out, in what we all know, is an ad-driven post contest.
We can whine and cry but their predatory algorithms will just chew on our content and spit it back in, filled with ads, misinformation et al.
That’s why we dont want to federate with threads/facebook.
I have no idea if I should add a /s flag here but really, everyone try having fun for fun’s sake. I’m basically an atheist so I was joking when I said “God’s grace” but you can still do things just for fun or to create a little spark of inspiration in the world.
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Dunno where have you been the last year, or the last 55, but those who “never experience God’s grace” still experience all the graces of capitalism and techno-feudalism, which is what currently matters.
I was joking about the God’s grace thing. I’m not religious.
I just meant if you make a joke and someone steals it, who cares? There’s always low-life bozos who steal content and repost it with “Who did this, fam? 😭😭😭” If you want to monetize your content, do what I do and dress as a waifu and play Doki Doki Panic for 14 hours a day on Twitch. It ain’t much but it’s honest work. (Except for the Waifu costume.)
Can I have some of what you’re smoking?
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