You forgot how they singlehandedly won WW2
If today, I wonder if the US would be more reluctant to get involved in that war, considering how seemingly half the country wish Hitler were their president.
More reluctant? It’s arguable that if Japan did not directly attack the US they never would have joined. “America First” was a powerful political group that urged elected officials and the public to stay out of European wars even if Hitler took over all of Europe. America First disbanded after Pearl Harbor. Fun fact: Dr. Seuss got his start parodying this group in political cartoons.
however, it was controversial for the anti-Semitic and pro-fascist views of some of its most prominent speakers, leaders, and members.
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Yeah, I’m well aware, hence the word more.
Also worth noting that the two largest ethnicities in the US at the time were Irish and German Americans. With the famine still in living memory as well as Ireland’s independence being relatively recent, Irish-Americans were not very keen on helping the British Empire. (Ireland itself maintained neutrality throughout the war, largely for this reason.) Similarly, German-Americans --many of whom still spoke German at home and in their day to day lives-- weren’t very stoked about going to war against Germany.
Left-leaning communities like Lemmy want to have it the way that the US recalcitrance in getting involved in the war was only about good old fashioned American racism, but the real history is much more complicated. It turns out that while Nazi sympathizers did play a role, the politics were fraught in many other ways as well. The Irish and German American constituencies were too big to simply be ignored by the politicians in power, regardless of what their own sympathies may have been.
I’m not sure if they want it more now or wanted it more then. This is a Nazi rally in Madison Square Garden in New York City in 1939:
Washington would be appalled by that
I don’t know. A lot of ideas about eugenics came from the US to Nazi Germany. US’ support of allies was more political than ideological, and that in turn changed US ideology. Also, death camps which are the automatically objectionable act weren’t known (or maybe weren’t happening yet, I’m hazy on this) before Pearl Harbor.
It’s so fucking wild that Germany just ends up getting used as a scapegoat, so we can blame someone else in the history books, and gloss over one’s own country’s eugenics programs.
And we Germans embrace it fully. We build our modern nationalism on our commemorative culture and the “never again” and how not patriotic we are (paradoxically). So much so that we forget our colonial history. In 1904, we did the first genocide of the century (the Herero and Namaqua genocide) but all we talk about in history classes is Hitler.
We have that opinion now because the west took in and harboured all the smart Nazi’s that did the research and developed the technology.
The problem wasnt Nazi policies, the problem was destabilized world order. Leaders easily look the other way on moral issues when power is at stake.
I always think of that line in the movie The Right Stuff where they’re talking about whether the Soviets or the Americans had saved the right Nazi scientists and Von Braun says, “our Germans are better than their Germans.”
Nah, that’s mean to the Nazis. Republicans love Nazis now.
Always has been 👨🚀
And then realized that hitler was actually a pretty good guy, the best guy, not better than me, but really great. The whole thing was a hoax though, a witch hunt, blah blah, A lot of really good people on both sides, blah blah, poisoning the blood of our country, blah blah Jewish space lasers.
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Hitler wasn’t so bad
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Slavery was good for black people
I wasn’t taught much from the “slavery is good” angle in GA. It was more subtle, framed as mostly information about the goods traded and what slaves produced for the countries they were in. Like, it was all about the slave trade industry and not how awful the conditions were.
Lots of information glossed over in favor of capitalism.
I think TheJims was referencing the fact that Florida has recently added the explicit idea that slaves benefited from slavery (that they developed skills, for example, being one of the things they claim the slaves benefited from) to their curriculum.
Yeah it’s a bit less than subtle now
- God created everything 6000 years ago
- The Moon landing was fake news
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They wouldn’t pass up on WWII since that’s the last time we were honestly seen as the good guys to the world. The Cold War would probably be there too just to show “communism doesn’t work”.
WWII might be risky because some students might ask what specifically made the world consider the axis evil.
“Well, little Timmy, you may have heard some other things about that whcih we’re not allowed to talk about, but the truth is that there were some Germans who believed ardently in the German state’s rights to do, uh, …stuff.”
They wouldn’t pass up on WWII since that’s the last time we were honestly seen as the good guys to the world.
Literally the only time anyone thought you were the good guys lol.
Erm. I’ll give credit for supporting Ukraine, but they seem to be backsliding on that
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You’d think they would want to talk about the Civil war too. That was a notable event in history where the democrat party of the time was the bad guys and wanted to keep slavery legal.
No no, because then white kids feel guilty and everyone has reason to doubt the glory of our beloved nation. America dindu
Well they WERE getting seen as the good Guys with Ukraine, but Putin wasnt happy with that so the republicans have decided to get in the way of that
The moon landing wouldn’t be up there in red states.
It would be, but only to talk about how it was a waste of taxpayer money
True but depends how delusional they are. Some are further lost than others. Drinking the koolaid too much.
Nawwwe, they’re all flat earthers. No way they acknowledge it if they actually get their way.
The moon landing wouldn’t be up there in red states.
Of course it would. It is one of the few actually valid examples of American exceptionalism which nationalists absolutely require as the underpinnings to their myopic ethos. In addition to teaching the history of this wonderful achievement, it will also be taught how these events never actually took place to support their claims the government actively lies to the American people requiring action for citizens to “take back” the country. Questions for both viewpoints will be on the midterm, so remember to study.
If you’re wondering how these two contradictory ideas can be taught in the same classroom, then remember in MAGA school the class taught immediately prior to history is “Learning to live with Cognitive Dissonance”.
Yeah but “the moon landing was a myth”
Nah now that other countries are expanding their space programs the Republicans would never pass up the chance to brag about how they were first to the moon if for nothing else than to put everyone else down.
No way they let people learn about the moon landing.
(how) the moon landing (was faked)
1776*
*revised edition
Also gotta teach both theories of how the moon landing could have happened…
What is the right wing version of 1776? Or is the joke that they will revise it? If that is the joke I’ll delete this once someone tells me because explaining a joke is a sin I think. I’m just curious what their revisions are if it’s real
The feeling is that they will remove the woke portion (read: enlightened) that drove it in the first place. That leaders just got mad and started fighting for…States Rights™️ and prayer in schools.
Oh wtf that’s wild asf, I’m so curious what is actually going through people’s heads who support this kind of thing. Unless it’s all evil people which is what it seems like without thinking too much about it.
It’s considered a righteous moment in American history. Americans that are backwards want to be on that side and will pervert and distort what happened until it reflects their point of view, values, and politics.
Wait until they mandate teaching about Jan 6th tourist visit to the Capitol
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Moon landing was fake though, you can’t teach something that is fake. /s
That’s probably what they’ll teach. That it was a fake liberal lie to undermine the glorious nation of Russia.
Two wrongs doesn’t make a right
You forgot 2001
The space Odyssey?
ironically
Probably something in there about poverty and crime rates soaring after the liberal North forced the glorious and God fearing South to end the benevolent system of slavery that provided free housing and healthcare to those poor incapable souls in its care.
Let’s be real here.
The Moon Landing ain’t gonna be on there.
maybe our president should make an executive order federalizing education and make standards stick
forgot never mind everything is a state by state issue and it is the citizen’s fault for not voting correctly even though some are not allowed to vote and we have a militarized police to ensure citizens get put in their place and the minimum wage is $7.25 unless you win the geographic lottery and are born in a state with higher minimum wages
at least trump is not president so all is good
They tried that with Core and No Child Left Behind. AFAIK though deeply unpopular (for political and non-political reasons) they did raise the bottom bar of education in all the states.
they did raise the bottom bar of education in all the states.
Maybe for the lowest level of children. They screwed over the education system for many more in exchange
yea family of teachers they fucked school funding hard and ruined all extra curriculars in non rich school districts
No Child Left Behind is a neat idea, but IME in practice it leads to severely mentally disabled kids filling seats in classes where they are being “taught” subjects years ahead of their ability. It really just feels like extra stress for the students and faculty.
They left out:
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there was certainly WMD in Iraq. The UN just never looked in the right place.
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over a million Afghanistan civilians deserved to die for the Trade Center attacks carried out by the son of a wealthy Saudi businessman
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Don’t forget how Saddam Hussein PERSONALLY flew both planes into the twin towers on 9/11.
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apparently the constitution doesn’t exist in this alternate universe. Which seems weird.
It’s because Republicans were against it after trump getting put off of ballots from the 14th amendment.
And 95% of it before that.
That’s covered in 1776, blacks and women are 3/5 of a person
The first three weeks of the Iraq war?
