California’s lieutenant governor sent a letter to the state’s secretary of state on Wednesday asking her to explore "every legal option" to remove former President Don...
Yes, if a Dem president incites an insurrection against the United States of America to illegally stay in power, I would absolutely support removing them from the ballot.
Liberals are weak fascist enablers but that take is not it lmfao
Fully agreed, but what if a Dem president is “allegedly” inciting an insurrection? In terms of electoral games, this is really one I would not want to play with the GOP. They will say that Biden is a traitor because he pulled troops from Afghanistan/the border/whatever other BS they can come up with.
With a conviction I would be fully in favour of removing Trump from the ballot. Without a conviction it’s just too easy for GOP to come up with a BS story. As a warning, many swing states are controlled by GOP.
So you’re reasoning is that we shouldn’t legitimately use the constitutional amendment to bar a criminal insurrectionist from running for president because other criminals may fraudulently use the same amendment in the future?
“If you legitimately try to stop the criminals with laws, those criminals may use those same laws illegitimately in the future” is not a reason to let them get away with their bullshit.
Far from it, and you are making exactly my point. I think a “criminal insurrectionist” (as in criminally convicted) should be removed from the ballot. Doing this to somebody who is not convicted opens the door to all kinds of shenanigans.
Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment does not expressly require a criminal conviction. In fact, there had not been a conviction in ANY of the instances where the amendment was invoked.
I agree with everything you said except it isn’t liberals setting a precedent. It is literally the legal standard set forth by the CONSTITUTION.
You are, however, correct that the GOP terrorist organization that is larping as a political party will certainly try to use this as a way to further undermine democracy. The question then becomes, how do you fight an opponent that is hellbent on usurping the rules in order to take over the country by legal fiat?
what is the precedent? if you get yourself tagged as an insurrectionist, you cant be president?
or are you implying that conservatives are such outright, terrible human beings they would just lie in the future and call whomever they want an insurrectionist to keep them off the ballot? i think the morons down in texas already have that in progress
Meaningless, he’ll never carry California, but liberals are setting a precedent that I guarantee will be used against them later.
Yes, if a Dem president incites an insurrection against the United States of America to illegally stay in power, I would absolutely support removing them from the ballot.
Liberals are weak fascist enablers but that take is not it lmfao
Fully agreed, but what if a Dem president is “allegedly” inciting an insurrection? In terms of electoral games, this is really one I would not want to play with the GOP. They will say that Biden is a traitor because he pulled troops from Afghanistan/the border/whatever other BS they can come up with.
With a conviction I would be fully in favour of removing Trump from the ballot. Without a conviction it’s just too easy for GOP to come up with a BS story. As a warning, many swing states are controlled by GOP.
So you’re reasoning is that we shouldn’t legitimately use the constitutional amendment to bar a criminal insurrectionist from running for president because other criminals may fraudulently use the same amendment in the future?
“If you legitimately try to stop the criminals with laws, those criminals may use those same laws illegitimately in the future” is not a reason to let them get away with their bullshit.
Far from it, and you are making exactly my point. I think a “criminal insurrectionist” (as in criminally convicted) should be removed from the ballot. Doing this to somebody who is not convicted opens the door to all kinds of shenanigans.
Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment does not expressly require a criminal conviction. In fact, there had not been a conviction in ANY of the instances where the amendment was invoked.
I agree with everything you said except it isn’t liberals setting a precedent. It is literally the legal standard set forth by the CONSTITUTION.
You are, however, correct that the GOP terrorist organization that is larping as a political party will certainly try to use this as a way to further undermine democracy. The question then becomes, how do you fight an opponent that is hellbent on usurping the rules in order to take over the country by legal fiat?
what is the precedent? if you get yourself tagged as an insurrectionist, you cant be president?
or are you implying that conservatives are such outright, terrible human beings they would just lie in the future and call whomever they want an insurrectionist to keep them off the ballot? i think the morons down in texas already have that in progress
It definitely matters. Primaries exist. This article is specifically about the primary. He won the Republican primary in 2016 with nearly 75% of the vote.
Also, I’m pretty sure California awards the winner more delegates than any other state.
It would have been used against them anyway, so they might as well use it where it actually applies.