• gastationsushi@lemmy.world
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      1 year ago

      It’s voting for less evil. And staying home is an extra vote for more evil.

      But I promise, get the frustration. We live in a fucked up system that filters out good candidates.

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        Nope, vote based on your values. If everyone did that, you wouldn’t have to settle for evil.

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          That’s not how American voting works, if everyone voted for who they think is absolute best, the group with the most unity wins, which is exactly why political parties exist.

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            1 year ago

            Yes, Unity. That is what I’m referring to. It just seems voters are only worried about being on the “winning” side and that is their Unity - winning and not what is best for them.

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                1 year ago

                Sorry, I’m just saying that if people all voted for a 3rd party candidate that wanted govt out of their pockets and personal life things would be so much better than just voting to win or voting for the lesser of two evils. Does that make sense? Not sure if I’m articulating my thought well enough.

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                  The problem is everyone voting for a third party candidate at the national level is pratically impossible, including the fact that you have to convince people that the candidate is popular enough to even be worth voting for.

                  It’s and endless and unfortunately unavoidable cycle.

                  You vote to win in almost all cases. That’s how US elections work.

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                    1 year ago

                    Sounds like sad and defeated outlook on voting. I think all that we can do is try and inform voters on third party options and hopefully things will change.

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          A plan that depends on everyone spontaneously deciding to do what you think is best is no plan at all.

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            1 year ago

            I just think that most people would like to have Government out of their wallet and personal lives. If those people all voted for a candidate who wanted the same, then change could happen.

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              Most people aren’t libertarians.

              And there’s little to no historical precedent for people spontaneously uniting around a third party candidate. There is, OTOH, precedent for the spoiler effect causing an unpopular candidate to win.

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            1 year ago

            I just think if people would look at what they value, find a matching candidate, vote for said candidate; things would be less of a shits show.

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              Exactly; you don’t understand basic game theory. The options you lay out are not in fact part of the equation. If we’re playing a game in which you have only two choices, opting for a third make-believe alternative is going to result in a losing outcome every time.

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                1 year ago

                I think that the majority of people have a fair moral compass or at least feel that they want less Government meddling in their life?

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                  The fact that Republicans are not winning many elections lately suggests otherwise. Most people want things like social security and medicare. Many of us want a stronger IRS to go after tax fraud. Many more of us want universal healthcare. All of that is government “meddling.”

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                    Social Security is a Ponzi scheme. Why would you need a stronger IRS if people were allowed to decided where to invest their own money? The return on the money put in to SS is minuscule compare to a standard safe investment. You wouldn’t need Universal Healthcare if you could afford things on your own, you could decide on a better insurance, because there would be competition, prices would be driven down and not up. Things only get more expensive when Government gets involved.

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      1 year ago

      Voting to express yourself is pure vanity. Vote in a way that will actually influence the outcome in a positive way. If, that is, you want to do something other than feel good about how morally superior you are.

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        It’s not about being morally superior, its about doing the right thing for all of us and to stop being forced into the Lesser of Two Evils.