• Grimy@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    AI generated content isn’t stealing. That being said, Facebook is literally only reposts, there is practically zero original content. The AI generated stuff is amongst the few things that isn’t technically stolen.

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      10 months ago

      AI generated content isn’t stealing.

      You might want to read the article.

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      AI generated content is always stealing, just because I steal an entire museum full of art and then cram a ton of art pieces together until it’s indistinguishable from anything that was in the museum beforehand doesn’t change the fact that I stole the entire museum to do it.

      Doesn’t matter if it’s text, art, etc. The current models of generative AI is always stealing. For some reason because it’s done in mass and automated, people think that it isn’t stealing now.

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          They’re humans using brains and not algorithms trained to copy and paste

          If you can keep putting artists out of work on your consciousness then sure, but some of us actually have morals guiding us.

          The human bases the new piece off of it, inspiration.

          The AI directly uses portions of the existing art. We get onto humans just the same who do that.

          AI isn’t conscious, it can’t think, it can’t use it as “inspiration”, that is the entire point.

          People who have abolutely 0 idea what art is about just get feral over this “tech” and beat down artists are absolutely selfish.

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              Nice essay, don’t care to read it fully since you are one of those people who unironically think computers can be conscious. And yes. Self driving cars should absolutely be banned.

              Not gonna waste my time with this any more since I can see what kind of takes you have on things. Have a nice day.

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                  cool story, go bother someone else.

                  there was no purpose to what you said other than flaming. I will not be responding further.

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                    This is an Internet forum where people discuss things. You are being a Luddite with respect to AI and self driving cars.

                    You cannot stop progress regardless of your opinion.

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      10 months ago

      I know you’re wanting to argue your point, so I’m only going to say one thing. Yes, it is sometimes stealing. Not all of the time, but some of the time. If you use a live artist as a prompt for selling and that artist isn’t getting paid (like musicians now do with sampling), then yes it’s stealing. You’re not only stealing their work, but you’re also stealing their business.

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          Thanks, I hate it. Your article is going into the current law and how it doesn’t compare to the new way of stealing. The spirit of copyright law is, if you made it, you have the rights to it because you made it. You can sell it, decide what happens to it, etc., for a certain amount of time. The laws need to change, not the artists just accepting that their work and style will be stolen because corporations figured out a way to steal more from the already not paid enough group.

          This part especially, is absolute bullshit:

          The theory of the class-action suit is extremely dangerous for artists. If the plaintiffs convince the court that you’ve created a derivative work if you incorporate any aspect of someone else’s art in your own work, even if the end result isn’t substantially similar, then something as common as copying the way your favorite artist draws eyes could put you in legal jeopardy.

          They’re trying to say, “Haven’t you been “inspired” by someone else? How can you judge this widdle ole’ computer program then?” Fuckers, please. Someone being inspired by someone else is already a gray area in copyright law. See any musician being sued by the Marvin Gaye family.

          Now use the analogy of taking a single artist who has a decent living making their own stye of art. Now take 10,000 artists trying to copy the "style* of that artist and put those completed works out in 10 seconds as opposed to your work, which takes skill building, your imagination and time. The current copyright laws aren’t meant for AI, they should be ignored as a basis for anything.

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            The article does a very good job at show how it isn’t stealing. Particularlly this part:

            Fair use protects reverse engineering, indexing for search engines, and other forms of analysis that create new knowledge about works or bodies of works. Here, the fact that the model is used to create new works weighs in favor of fair use as does the fact that the model consists of original analysis of the training images in comparison with one another.

            This isn’t a new way of “stealing” it’s just a way to analyze and reverse engineer images so you can make your own original works. In the US, the first major case that established reverse engineering as fair use was Sega Enterprises Ltd. v. Accolade, Inc in 1992, and then affirmed in Sony Computer Entertainment, Inc. v. Connectix Corporation in 2000. So this is not new at all.

            I understand that you are passionate about this topic, and that you have strong opinions on the legal and ethical issues involved. However, using profanity, insults, and exaggerations isn’t helping this discussion. It only creates hostility and resentment, and undermines your credibility. If you’re interested, we can have a discussion in good faith, but if your next comment is like this one, I won’t be replying.

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              I understand that you are passionate about this topic, and that you have strong opinions on the legal and ethical issues involved. However, using profanity, insults, and exaggerations isn’t helping this discussion. It only creates hostility and resentment, and undermines your credibility. If you’re interested, we can have a discussion in good faith, but if your next comment is like this one, I won’t be replying.

              Not doing any of that, but okay.

              Edit: I guess I was cussing, lol. It’s the internet and I think you’ll be fine.

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      10 months ago

      Ai art is stealing though. Artists are afraid to post their art online and get their work used in a machine learning model by some tech guys who never produced anything artistic in their lives