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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlBanned to World News@lemmy.mlEnglish · 2 years ago

Africa's high-speed railway network is on track

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Africa's high-speed railway network is on track

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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlBanned to World News@lemmy.mlEnglish · 2 years ago
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African countries are building a high-speed railway network that will link all African countries together, increasing trade and liberty.
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  • HobbitFoot @thelemmy.club
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    Does Africa need full high speed rail now? Can it get away with designating the corridors, designing the geometry, and then designing cheaper rail? I feel like going straight to high speed, especially if it is mainly for freight connectivity, isn’t worth it.

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlBannedOP
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      I don’t see why Africa would invest in outdated technology when they can have high speed rail. There’s literally zero rationale to do that.

      • HobbitFoot @thelemmy.club
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        Because high speed rail requires costly viaducts that can make the project cost several times the price of a lower speed line.

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlBannedOP
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          I’m going to go out on a limb and guess that the actual economists in Africa have done the math here.

          • HobbitFoot @thelemmy.club
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            The summary isn’t detailed to go through how the system gets implemented. I also noted in another comment that it is would be wise to design the geometry of some segments to high speed rail standards if the cost increase due to tighter geometry requirements are negligible.

            A continental high speed rail network is a great goal, but there are ways to implement the system that can yield faster benefits to Africans than just building the whole system to high speed standards at once.

            • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlBannedOP
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              Again, I have no idea why you’re assuming these countries haven’t done due diligence before embarking on a megaproject like this. A really weird premise to start from to be honest.

              • HobbitFoot @thelemmy.club
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                I’m assuming the same due diligence my country puts into these kinds of projects. Hell, there are large parts of the Internet that critique projects like this in general, no matter who builds it.

                If I’m willing to critique developed countries in infrastructure projects, why shouldn’t do the same for developing countries?

                Hell, it isn’t like they have to listen to me.

                • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlBannedOP
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                  If you wanted to make a serious critique then you should spend the time to actually learn about the project and criticize specifics instead of just making stuff up based on what your country does.

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    Im scared for the countries getting caught in Chinas debt trap. With maintenance contracts being forced (for more than 90 years!), billions in outstanding loans in each country there is no way to climb out the hole. Everyone can see these extravaganza projects are not what Africa needs, but what China wants.

    • zephyreks@lemmy.ca
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      Extravagant projects are exactly how China got out of it’s poverty hole (and, if you think about it, also how a lot of Europe recovered post-WW2 as well).

      Only in the US is infrastructure condemned so strongly.

      • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlBannedOP
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        indeed

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlBannedOP
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      There is no China debt trap. That’s just concern trolling western trolls invented

      • https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2021/02/china-debt-trap-diplomacy/617953/
      • https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3745021
      • https://www.eurasiareview.com/01022021-chinese-investment-in-africa-has-had-significant-and-persistently-positive-long-term-effects-despite-controversy/
      • https://theconversation.com/china-and-africa-ethiopia-case-study-debunks-investment-myths-177098
      • https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/gild/2021/01/26/how-chinese-investment-shape-new-growth-patterns-in-africa/
      • https://www.asiafinancial.com/china-debt-trap-claims-in-africa-stem-from-us-rivalry-study
      • https://www.sabcnews.com/sabcnews/chinas-infrastructure-investment-helps-fast-track-development-in-africa-expert/
      • zephyreks@lemmy.ca
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        African countries are foregoing Western investment because of the number of strings attached. Chinese loans are pretty straightforward: here’s some money, here’s a (very) competitive interest rate, and here’s how the infrastructure will be kept alive even if the country runs out of tax revenue to fund it. Critically, the project’s operation isn’t hindered by financial mismanagement and can keep delivering economic benefits to the region.

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          African countries are foregoing Western investment because of the number of strings attached

          What strings?

          here’s a (very) competitive interest rate

          IMF loans are cheaper. Every person with two braincells will realize corrupt officials will take the chinese loans with higher interest rates because of the bribes. A 90 year maintenance contract is nonsense and you cant defend it.

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            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fGcf3GODKE

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlBannedOP
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          Indeed, and China also does a lot of loan forgiveness because they want to establish long term mutually beneficial relationships as opposed to just strip mine these countries the way the west does.

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