AI singer-songwriter ‘Anna Indiana’ debuted her first single ‘Betrayed by this Town’ on X, formerly Twitter—and listeners were not too impressed.

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    How to make line assembled pop music even more sterile and devoid of soul. Now at one thousandth the cost! But wait, how are CEOs going to molest child artists when they aren’t real?!

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    That’s pretty amazing.

    The song sucks, but here was the cutting edge of AI music just seven years ago.

    That it’s gone from some nightmarish fever dream mashup to wannabe pop influencer levels of quality in less than a decade is pretty crazy, and as long as there isn’t a plateau in the next seven years we’ll probably be in a world where AI generated musical artists have a popular enough following that they will have successful holographic concert performances by 2030.

    I over and over see people making the mistake of evaluating the future of AI based on the present state while ignoring the rate of change between the past and present.

    Yeah, most of your experiences of AI in various use cases is mediocre right now. But what we have today in most areas of AI was literally thought to be impossible or very far out just a number of years ago. The fact you have any direct experiences of AI in the early 2020s is fucking insane and beyond anyone’s expectations a decade earlier. And the rate of continued improvement is staggering. Probably the fastest moving field I’ve ever witnessed.

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        Well, the Beatles and Beach boys are better than emo YouTube influencers as a genre.

        But the quality of the production of the fever dream is dramatically worse.

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      Technically we already have things like Vocaloid, which aren’t AI yet, but do have their own holographic concerts that are popular in places like Japan and China. So having an AI artist come on stage and sing be too farfetched for me, despite the fact I’d hate it because it’s a soulless entity devised by the corporate fascists. As for the quality of AI generated songs, no clue, but I can totally see them just ripping off up and coming human artists and then sending cease and desist letters to them for “StEaLiNg Ai GeNeRaTeD mUsIc” that was originally stolen or just stealing popular vocaloid songs and piggybacking off of every single person they can for profit.

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      Keep in mind, though, AI progress is often more like punctuated equilibrium.

      Each new approach gets you much further, and polishing each approach gets you slight improvements until the next approach comes along. Improvements to chatgpt might plateau until the next big breakthrough architecture. Or maybe not.

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        polishing each approach gets you slight improvements

        Without the base model changing at all, research into better use of the models has, depending on the measurement, gone from around 35% success rates to 85% success rates.

        I wouldn’t define that as slight.

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    The fact that AI can produce this is impressive as to where we have come with AI. But can this actually threaten human artists?

    In the United States, a federal judge ruled in 2023 that AI artwork cannot meet federal copyright standards because “Copyright law is ‘limited to the original intellectual conceptions of the author’.” With no author, there is no copyright.

    ~~https://www.makeuseof.com/copyright-rules-ai-art/~~ See u/Even_Adder@lemmy.dbzer0.com 's article below.

    “The answer will depend on the circumstances, particularly how the AI tool operates and how it was used to create the final work,” the office said.

    Under current US law, that song is probably now in the public domain. If the law changes, that could mean that in the future, music charts potentially could be filled with AI songs. As it stands, this is most-likely a public domain music machine cranking out music that anyone can use royalty-free. It depends on the interpretation of the courts.

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      The mistake you are making is in thinking that the future of media will rely on the same infrastructure as what it’s been historically.

      Media is evolving from being a product, where copyright matters in protecting your product from duplication, to being a service where any individual work is far less valuable because of the degree to which it is serving a niche market.

      Look at how many of the audio money makers on streaming platforms are defined by their genre rather than a specific work. Lofi Girl or ASMR made a ton of money, but there’s not a single specific work that is what made them popular like with a typical recording artist with a hit song.

      The future of something like Spotify will not be a handful of AI artists creating hit singles you and everyone else want to listen to, but AI artists taking the music you uniquely love to listen to and extending it in ways that are optimized around your individual preferences like a personalized composer/performer available 24/7 at low cost.

      In that world, copyright for AI produced works really doesn’t matter for profitability, because AI creation has been completely commoditized.

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    Looking at the hateful comments gives me shivers when thinking how humans will proceed with machines on an emotional level.

    If we ever reach sentinent AI, it will go towards I-Robot plot. Ill bet.

    Edit typos

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    I have a feeling they knew how this would be received considering it seems like they’re rage-baiting and acting pretentious to try and get attention.

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      I accidentally submitted early, but also, I wrote out the lyrics. It’s the most bland version of those breakup-depression kind of songs imaginable. I guess people voted it as “feel-good” out of irony.

      Sitting at my favorite cafe

      Sipping my tea it’s saturday

      Thinking about all he’s done, to everyone

      This town is full of broken dreams

      Shattered hopes, and silent screams

      Somebody please help me

      Betrayed by this town

      Let’s tear it all down

      We’re all just destined to fall

      I’ve lost it all

      Betrayed by this town

      Let’s tear it all down

      We’re all just destined to fall

      We’ve lost it all

      Alone in the streets, alone in my thoughts

      Thinking of all our favorite spots

      I thought someday things might turn around

      But I was lost and never found

      Betrayed by this town

      Let’s tear it all down

      We’re all just destined to fall

      I’ve lost it all

      Betrayed by this town

      Let’s tear it all down

      We’re all just destined to fall

      We’ve lost it all

      Faces painted with smiles

      Lies are told

      A facade of unity

      A vitality sold

      So I sit here in silence

      Just wondering how

      To rewrite the tales

      This town won’t allow

      Betrayed by this town

      Let’s tear it all down

      We’re all just destined to fall

      I’ve lost it all

      Betrayed by this town

      Let’s tear it all down

      We’re all just destined to fall

      We’ve lost it all

      I’ve lost it all

      We’ve lost it all

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        “Betrayed by this town / Let’s burn it all down “ might be the most relevant chorus of today’s music. It’ll be stuck in my head all night and would fit right in at most protests

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    It’s not as though the article is any better - bots just wrapping up a comment thread from twitter, cramming it with ads, and presenting it as an article.

    Late stage capitalist media is a dumpster fire.

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      Yeah, my blocked website list is growing everyday with websites that are literally just a 4 paragraph summary of a reddit post. 3 of the paragraphs are usually just "user ‘spezcocksucker’ says this but another person disagrees. Here’s the reddit link and 27 ads.

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    That picture is weird, there’s some AI nonsense going on with the microphone shock mount, and her jaw doesn’t line up with the rest of her face. Plus the usual uncanny valley weirdness of an AI generated image.

    Not even going to bother with the song.

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    Not so much an expert rather than just parroting what I saw, but according to a cursory search, and a Twitter community note I saw from a friend, the voice used by this project is Synthesizer V, which is actually a perfectly legitimate piece of software for using digital voices in music production. If you’ve heard of Vocaloid, or know about Hatsune Miku, SynthV is basically a competitor in that space.

    Going back to the community note, the voice used is actually called Natalie, and apparently the TOS of SynthV does not allow use of its voices using a name that’s different to what was given. So they essentially can’t present the Natalie voice as Anna, which they are.

    EDIT: I want to clarify that these voice synthesisers like SynthV and Vocaloid are usually based on the recording of someone who has consented to the use of their voice in that regard and has been paid for it. It’s not like the current AI voice cloning trend going on.

    Tweet + Community Note

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      I’ve used Synthesizer V Studio and the clip in the video definitely showed that’s what they used.

      It looks like they should be disclosing ALL the tools they used to make this. Probably part of the TOS of the other programs too.

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    This is the worst AI will ever be, again.

    Right now, at the end of 2023, you are seeing barely a year of public interest and widespread development, after maybe a decade of slowly grinding academic experimentation. And already it’s enough to build some Vocaloid knockoff from scratch. You can tell it’s fake, as surely as a seven-fingered hand on some anime girl staring dead into the camera. But if you think all AI drawings still look like that… you should go check.

    This isn’t a threat to artists, though. It’s a threat to the industry. Real human beings who want to make art will have more and better tools than ever before. Audiences that want an endless spigot of AI content… won’t need recording studios. You can already run this stuff on your computer. Some networks are getting better by getting bigger, which demands a really fancy computer. Other networks are getting better by getting smaller. Smaller networks train faster, even if they’re deeper, more abstract, and less predictable. They run faster, too, and on lesser hardware.

    Hold onto your butts, folks. It’s gonna get weird.

    Also, far from the most pressing issue here, but: just say Twitter. You don’t have to respect the stupid rebrand. You know it’s stupid because everyone keeps clarifying what they mean.

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      Elon has no problem with people deadnaming trans people on his website so why should we avoid deadnaming his website.

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        The actions of bigots are not a good “golden rule” situation. You are called what you want to be called.

        But a business is not a person. Fuck what they want. Businesses are called whatever people recognize.

        Same shit goes for Blackwater and Facebook. Reputation is a necessary part of commerce and politics, and escaping it through shell games is idiotic bullshit we should never respect.

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          This is a good and valid point but in the case of X, the real shit show started after our during the renaming period. Do if you want to point out the idiotic bullshit, I think X is the way to go. Nevertheless, that’s hard to pronounce, like “I re-X-ed your X” sounds like a messed up relationship issue.

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            Twitter was a dumpster fire for a decade before Elmo tricked himself into buying it.

            Every system is perfectly designed to produce its observed outcomes. Twitter was always a harassment engine, by design. If not by intent.

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    I think in the context of K-Pop it makes total sense, the music and everything around is anyway just done after a formula which has proven to work very well to sell. While right now you need to put children and teenagers through years of rigorous training and expose them to immense stress and pressure so most of them break, with AI you can easily replicate the same formula and refine much quicker without throwing so many young people into the meat grinder of the music industry.

    More money and control for the companies less people killing themselves.

    The ones who really burn for the music will make music despite AI music being available. And they also will find an audience, even though it might be smaller.

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      What I worry about this is mainstream becoming “accustomed” to assemblyline content by AI. What if eventually people start actually consider the conformity to be good thing and originality deviant? Of course there will always be people who dont care what other think but vast majority of people seems to at least on some level be very conscious about it.

      Imagine being the weird one just because you don’t like ai generated crap

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        Have you seen the movie WALL-E? The people on the space-ship they’re consuming engaging content all day long, nobody is creating anything anymore, so all this must been created by the AI. I’m just trying to say that it’s not a novel idea. Writers and artists have been imagining this future for ourselves for a long time.

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        When you think about it, that’s pretty much the history of boy bands, going all the way back to the Monkees. The faces were carefully chosen for demographic reasons, the songs were written by the labels and targeted for specific demographics, the faces’ histories were largely constructed fictions (and published through “unauthorized” fan magazines and books that were ghostwritten by the labels and laundered through other publishing companies). The only real difference is that now software is being used for it rather than marketing teams.

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      While right now you need to put children and teenagers through years of rigorous training and expose them to immense stress and pressure so most of them break

      Uh… I don’t think that’s a necessary part of the process to making k-pop, or any kind of music. Industry people may think it’s critical to making themselves shit-loads of money, but it’s not important for the creation music or even selling the music.

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        Yeah, that’s what I meant with the rest of my text that people will make music still, and this corporate breaking the children and teenagers can be replaced by AI.

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    YouTube link for those that want to see it for themselves. ~~https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3T175LTQFnw~~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l71Hh1gPkE

    To me the biggest problem with it is that it doesn’t understand the relationship between the meanings of the words and the melody of the song. It kinda makes it sound like a bad parody song. I think if you looked at just the lyrics or just the melody they would be quite convincing on their own.

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    I think it sounds the same as other shitty music I hear all the time.

    I fully expect AI music to be part of the musical scene going forward.

    Does it feel dystopian? Yeah, it’s not a fun future. But this is here to stay.

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      . I think it sounds the same as other shitty music I hear all the time.

      That’s because it’s literally a machine made to copy exactly that.

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        All I hear is profit for the record labels.

        But yeah, AI will be able to evolve too. We will have some good AI music soon also.

        In a decade, high budget movies will have some AI actors in them and people won’t notice. :)

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          If it gets democratized enough Labels will go the way of the dodo I think, barring legal intervention of course. Why would a radio station pay a label for something they can churn out themselves, heck they need user metrics for adverters anyways, so just set up voting for your favorite songs and get a radio station fine tuned to your audience.

          At least better than the same process but done by some mega Corp trying to make a song that can be universally accepted…

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      AI music can be fire if you use it as a part of the artistic process, not as the end result. It’s just every fucking technocracker wants to replace the artistic process completely so they don’t have to not pay their employees any more. EDIT: Actual AI, not that OpenAI content laundering shit.

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        Force multipliers are great for forces of good and terrible for forces of evil.

        Like wanting to make audio versions of text. Great for increasing access ability for people. Terrible when it’s just to funnel people from the texts authors to your front for money and to serve ads.

        Same tools.

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    Here I am just wondering how much automation went into tuning/tweaking the voice. I’ve made some stuff in Synthesizer V Studio and that’s a big chunk of the work. Being able to load something into an AI and have it give a pass would be awesome.