• Krackalot@discuss.tchncs.de
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    Yes, that is correct. We either purchased the land or found ourselves the owners in mysterious ways after special military operations. /s

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      This is the woke mob trying to repaint history. The settlers arrived and invited the native Americans to dinner and the native Americans taught the settlers about “maize” (which means corn) and then the settlers asked they would move to the very cool reservations where they could have the casinos and the native Americans were like “yeah bruh.”

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        It is not new. Many countries do not teach the full extent of their dangerous past(cough Britain cough). A very specific example I remember is when a group of white folks overthrew the local government(a party called Fusionists) in the town of Wilmington, North Carolina. For a very long time, information about it was kept under wraps and to this day, people on the wrong side of history have had places named after them in their honor.

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          Other than a few small skirmishes, what have the British done? I mean it’s one small island, how many countries could it oppress? 10?

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            No, there are very many places that actually don’t. I grew up in GA, native American history wasn’t taught past the pilgrims meeting and inventing Thanksgiving, nothing about the Mexican-American war, maybe a cursory mention of Japanese internment.

            But it was mostly the revolutionary war, WWI and WWII from the perspective that the US became and is the benevolent world force it claims to be.

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      We already owned that land and they tried to steal it.

      However, war is literally how we founded the country.

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      Of all the wars we fought, you picked the one that wasn’t about conquering land, and was started by the Confederacy btw

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        It was a different country. We got their land. By conquering it. And then we destroyed their country. Rightfully so.

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          Civil wars are, by definition, a nation fighting itself.

          It was always the position of the Union that the Confederacy were rebelling citizens, and that fact was the legal basis of the Emancipation Proclamation, later decisions regarding the very concept of a secession without an act of Congress, and quite a few court courses for treason and sedition.

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            Technically couldn’t it be argued that the confederacy were the ones that were the real USA? Even the constitution agreed with them that some people are worth less than others.

            If you need to change the constitution to have your side be right, you’re on the right side of history, but you’re not the same country. You’re the new guys who took the country by force from the previous guys, because you didn’t like how they did things. It’s a good thing you did, but let’s not pretend like they were the traitors - the winners of the war were the traitors.

            I just think it’s okay to be a traitor if you’re betraying a shitty cause, and by acting like it’s not okay, we’re just enforcing the “snitches get stitches” and “loyalty instead of morals” mentality. Which I get why you would want to do as a country, because you’re trying to keep the power and not raise future traitors to your questionable policies. But I don’t get why you’d want to do this as a human, who will be at one point in time responsible for making a similar decision. You’re just making it worse for future you if you’ll ever need to be labeled as a traitor for, eg: fighting to remove gerrymandering.

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              couldn’t it be argued the Confederacy was the real USA?

              No, though they did try to argue it and they lost

              If you need to change the constitution

              They did it by following the Constitution’s rules for change. The Confederacy tried to subvert the Constitution because they were losing. You don’t get to cherry pick which parts of the constitution matter and ignore the other parts. The Confederacy saw the writing on the wall that the US was going to follow the procedure outlined by law to become a free country, and they decided that the law, the constitution and the entire united states could go fuck itself. There is no world in which the Confederacy is good, decent or sympathetic. They committed treason so that they could continue to kidnap, rape and murder an entire class of people and no amount of “well if you look at it another way” will change or excuse that.

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    don’t write him off as stupid. this isn’t a person trying to be correct and failing. this is a person trying very hard to establish a world in which the truth is irrelevant, and instead from moment to moment the truth is whatever they need it to be in order to justify their positions and actions.

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      I’d love to see Puerto Rico to become a state, just because I think it’d be cool, but I wouldn’t blame them one bit for looking at the asshats on the mainland and wanting to get away. Either way, their current status shouldn’t continue.

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    I think a successful completion of a deep national and international history course together hard exams should become a prerequisite for any political office in the US.

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    We didn’t get California and Texas by war, we got that by Devine right. Manifest Destiny.