Let’s just remind people that this is not a place where they choose to go, but a place where they are forced to go, and then people hold them to a behaviour standard that they never agreed to.
It’s an interesting point and appeals to my anarchist tendencies, but was it not broadly agreed that adults take decisions on behalf of minors, because an accumulation of experience and wisdom make them better equipped so to do ?
And was it not also broadly agreed that in the absence of a suitable adult, society would take those decisions, as best they could, for such children ?
Of course, one size does not fit all, but as was recently highlighted by pandemic, a great many children are, tragically, much safer in school than not.
If school as an institution were replaced, we’d still face those problems, I think.
I suppose that’s the root of the issue with our approach to education. If schooling is mandatory then it should also be mandatory to properly meet each child’s individual needs, but in practice that doesn’t happen. As a result many children reject school and achieve poor outcomes from it.
Not sure I’m entirely with you on that one; what’s the alternative to schooling kids so that they achieve autonomy and how do you propose to make them fit in a society where is seems important to have compatibility between everyone’s behaviour if not by pushing them towards a standard ?
Part of the function of school is to get you used to doing things you don’t want to do. You’ll be donning bland clothes and going to a grey, depressing building every day once you’re an adult too.
…Like you realise most secondary schools have the set of responsibilities and expectations on a single page that the child will sign in year 7, right?
It’s basically just symbolic and of course you can choose to not sign it and will still go to the school, but to say that they never agreed to it, atleast in my experience is a stretch. Though obviously there is a lot more nuance in this conversation.
The reality is underfunding of both schools, as well as sports/youth clubs, the schools being unable to make effective punishments, and parents not caring what their child gets up to both online and in school likely are the key things to blame.
Plus the effect on the psyche of children growing up in a world which they know is fucked and seeing genuinely so little to improve it probably doesn’t help.
Let’s just remind people that this is not a place where they choose to go, but a place where they are forced to go, and then people hold them to a behaviour standard that they never agreed to.
It’s an interesting point and appeals to my anarchist tendencies, but was it not broadly agreed that adults take decisions on behalf of minors, because an accumulation of experience and wisdom make them better equipped so to do ?
And was it not also broadly agreed that in the absence of a suitable adult, society would take those decisions, as best they could, for such children ?
Of course, one size does not fit all, but as was recently highlighted by pandemic, a great many children are, tragically, much safer in school than not.
If school as an institution were replaced, we’d still face those problems, I think.
Objection! Assumes facts not in evidence. :P
I suppose that’s the root of the issue with our approach to education. If schooling is mandatory then it should also be mandatory to properly meet each child’s individual needs, but in practice that doesn’t happen. As a result many children reject school and achieve poor outcomes from it.
Not sure I’m entirely with you on that one; what’s the alternative to schooling kids so that they achieve autonomy and how do you propose to make them fit in a society where is seems important to have compatibility between everyone’s behaviour if not by pushing them towards a standard ?
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Part of the function of school is to get you used to doing things you don’t want to do. You’ll be donning bland clothes and going to a grey, depressing building every day once you’re an adult too.
Calm down there Che Guevara
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who cares if they agree to it, they are kids, they dont know how they should behave.
…Like you realise most secondary schools have the set of responsibilities and expectations on a single page that the child will sign in year 7, right?
It’s basically just symbolic and of course you can choose to not sign it and will still go to the school, but to say that they never agreed to it, atleast in my experience is a stretch. Though obviously there is a lot more nuance in this conversation.
The reality is underfunding of both schools, as well as sports/youth clubs, the schools being unable to make effective punishments, and parents not caring what their child gets up to both online and in school likely are the key things to blame.
Plus the effect on the psyche of children growing up in a world which they know is fucked and seeing genuinely so little to improve it probably doesn’t help.