These judges like Wallace are people too, with families who cannot hide behind anonymity like a high profile jury in a mob case. They’ve seen what Trump’s Brown Shirts will do to those they don’t like: anything from incessant threatening phone calls to attempted murder with a hammer. What an impossible position to be in: serve justice, or risk your family being stalk and possibly assaulted.
This is how democracy dies. It takes very brave people in power to stand up to someone like Trump.
Judges take that risk every time they take a criminal case on. That criminal could always have friends who plot revenge on the judge. And it does happen and judges are aware of it. So that’s a poor excuse.
I also don’t believe ruling against him will lead to a civil war or anything like that. Not when January 6th was a complete failure. Most Americans, even Trump supporters, aren’t interested in picking up a gun and getting on the front lines.
Judges take that risk every time they take a criminal case on
The difference here is scale, they don’t usually have to worry about a third of the country hating their guts for making a decision
Nor is there a certainty in most cases that criminals will have people who want to harm a judge, unlike with Trump
Yes it’s a threat they see often, but it’s nowhere near the usual level they see it at and it’s very understandable why someone might be legitimately terrified of the situation
Judges can recuse themselves if that’s how they feel. They don’t have to be there if they don’t want to be.
Understandable, but giving into terror is only going to bring more of it on you and everyone else too.
Also, I wonder if every soldier who ever got their life threatened or taken serving our military felt terror, and why their terror would be any less worthy than what these judges are feeling. Those judges took an oath to defend our country in their own way, and they need to make good on it.
This isn’t easy, but it isn’t complicated either.
You either fight now or you fight later.
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Alt Headline: Judges would rather hand our country to fascists than to hold a fascist accountable
I don’t think so. If they hold him in contempt then it becomes more likely his push for a mistrial succeeds. His goal is to push the trial time past election day, so then he can continue the argument that they can’t do anything to the president and he can pardon himself federally (assuming he wins or takes over after losing).
I’d love to see him be held accountable like an average person is, but I totally agree with their position of playing it safe. You don’t fuck around for fun when a want-to-be fascist dictator is in play. Either you execute him quickly or you make sure to do everything properly and give them no room to argue you cheated, because they’ll try no matter what.
It’s really that an appeal for mistrial goes to some other judge that might have maga up the ass. I don’t agree that this is the safe play, there’s a strong history of contempt being used in court as a deterrent and any skilled prosecutor would get intimately familiar with all the cases where public statements were made to intimidate witnesses and such.
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Holy shit. Let justice prevail. This asshole needs to be a convicted felon. Judges are getting scared to do their jobs.
I’m in the medical industry. I put blinders on every day. I don’t care what brought you here or why you’re handcuffed to the bed.
Yes, I’m proud to say I’ve worked in a prison ward and been swung at and almost stabbed a few times.
I still show up to do my job.
Putting out a hit list and having a cult of followers that intimidate you and disobey you to this degree is fucked up. Judges should be impartial, of course. That also should allow them the right to reign in a flagrant bullshitter and bully when they see one.
Sounds like the CIA should just execute trump and his croonies.
Strongman dictators are exactly who the CIA likes to put in power in other countries, so I doubt they would stop Trump in their own.
As much as I am inclined to agree with the sentiment, that would set a very dangerous precedent and jeopardize future Democrat presidents.
JFK got shot remember? He was too progressive.
Why? If you are that rampant evil and disregard ANYTHING that actually holds western civilization together (which in itself is pretty ironic, considering the literal crusades against islam and the likes) and also do not uphold the constitution…and eel yourself out of every court to hold you responsible…well.
Wait wait wait are you saying that if we don’t hold fascism accountable then fascism wont be mean when they gain power?
The last two Presidents to die in office were Democrats. It’s a Republican’s turn. Any one of them would be fine with me.
You’re doing amazing work. Thank you.
Unfortunately, self preservation and turning a blind eye to suffering are what psychopaths who want nothing but power excel at.
Expecting them to do the right thing is untenable. It goes against their nature. We are incredulous for all the reasons they are not remotely phased by bad behavior.
It’s odd to say that Engoron is afraid to rule against Trump when he already ruled he’s guilty of fraud. I’d also love to see him fined a billion dollars or to spend time in jail for contempt of court but Trump and his team are baiting him to take more extreme action to argue bias on appeal. Keeping his orders beyond reasonable is probably the right move to protect his verdict moving forward. Same goes for Chutkin. She’s probably more reluctant to help Trump open a door to appeal than afraid to have him spend a night in jail or whatever.
Judge baiting should itself be contempt.
This is exactly it. People expecting Thor’s hammer to drop are mistaken.
What they don’t understand is it already dropped. He was found liable and this is just sentencing.
Engoron is playing this smart AF.
You’re not wrong there, but people are probably more worried about the Federal cases where this hasn’t happened yet.
Same reason, judge has let all those idiot expert witnesses and let them spout off to a degree. Trying to leave no room for appeal.
No excuses, you take the risk of being targeted with each case. What they’re actually afraid of is to burn their God on the pyre. Just look at Cannon, she is clearly trying to avoid a Judas moment.
We USians gave that shithead Trump access to the largest spying network in the world and are surprised that Trump might be extorting and blackmailing judges.
Well it wasn’t like we did it ourselves, they called it “pied piper” for a reason
Also, far far far too many people voted for him, but never let it be forgotten that a majority of American voters did not support him in 2016 or 2020
Side note, I love your username
he’s basically a sovereign citizen
I think they’re afraid of appeals. Whatever they do, they want to make it stick
And they’ve succeeded in making appeals difficult. The judge made a factual ruling that Trump engaged in insurrection, so any appeals also must accept that as a fact.
It may not have been the outcome we hoped for, but it’s a strong step in the right direction.
Such fine legal maneuvering. I was sorely disappointed until I learned of this.
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This is, conceptually, a really important discussion. This author treats this important discussion like an early 2000s Myspace page.
As fodder in the spin wars, her ruling has a little something for everyone. Trump supporters can rightly note that Wallace rejected arguments (like mine!) that their guy is ineligible for the presidency; Trump critics can respond that, after trying the issue, she found Trump indeed engaged in the insurrection, even though he was not among the rioters at the Capitol that day.
This is just truly awful writing for such an important piece of potential American history.
This important piece of American history is kinda like an early 2000s Myspace page, or something embarrassing and juvenile like that. Like, let’s not forget that we’re dealing with an existential threat to our country and way of life that’s taken the form of Donald fuckin Trump, quite possibly the trashiest piece of 80s excess and reality TV to ever walk this planet. The whole thing is both very stupid and incredibly serious.
If it’s any comfort, I’m sure there were people in the 30s who thought getting messages from Hitler and FDR over those newfangled radios was kind of trashy too.
If any of us were sent back in time to try to stop him, could we convince anyone that this is actually real?
It feels so surreal watching Trump take power. It’s like living in a Simpsons cartoon.
This important piece of American history is kinda like an early 2000s Myspace page, or something embarrassing and juvenile like that
Lol I suppose there is a sort of poetry in the coverage matching the subject matter.
Pity they couldn’t court martial him. He was CiC when he fomented insurrection. That would really blow the conservative mind, with their military worship they wouldn’t know what to do. Attack the military for throwing trump in Leavenworth?
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Pity they couldn’t court martial him. He was CiC when he fomented insurrection. That would really blow the conservative mind, with their military worship they wouldn’t know what to do. Attack the military for throwing trump in Leavenworth?
