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      not give giant gifts to defense companies

      There is N-word that will burn some asses on lemmy.world: nationalize.

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      Yeah, because that for sure will stop other world powers from arming themselves and attacking others.

      And to answer upcoming question: why we should care not others instead of ourselves. No one attacks us militarily (we are attacked via hubris warfare with disinformation such as this though) because we are armed.

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        Why would being ten times larger than the next ten militaries in the world combined instead of the next twenty make us likely to be attacked?

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          Because then you would say why 10 and not 5 and so on. The social spending currently is still much much bigger than the money spent for social services anyway (4.1 trillion + 910 billion in non defense spending which covers mentioned education housing etc): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expenditures_in_the_United_States_federal_budget

          Cutting military spending won’t increase social spending. The GOP is for cutting spending no matter what do they can cut taxes from corporations which what they did with latest tax bill.

          Look at corporate income taxes, that should be increased.

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            I’m really amazed that people on Lemmy are actually cheering for massive, bloated military budgets.

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              Oh so after showing how ridiculous your post is and defense budget is a drop in what already is being spent on social programs now you are changing goal posts?

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                This post has always been about bloated defense budgets and all I have been talking about is bloated defense budgets. I didn’t move any goal posts. That is a lie.

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      defense companies

      You mean mercenaries and arms dealers. The only thing they’re defending is their profits.

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          I’m not saying there’s no waste, but being against wasteful spending is a completely different thing, to me, than being against wasteful spending.

          I’m completely okay with spending inordinate gobs of the tax base on defense because at this point, the US defense budget is, in effect, the premium we pay yearly for “Global Nuclear War Insurance”.

          It’s as much as investment in psychological warfare as practical. That is: we lead the race by such a huge lead that nobody else even bothers to attempt to rival us. This prevents open/total war between superpowers, and also has a suppressive effect even on larger non-superpower nations.

          And if you think our defense budget is inflated now, heaven help you if a near peer conflict actually would break out.

          Basically we pay a lot, year in and year out so that we don’t have to deal with war time spending…and of course all the death and destruction as well.

          You’re free to not like that, of course, but like I said, I’m 100% good with it.

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            the US defense budget is, in effect, the premium we pay yearly for “Global Nuclear War Insurance”.

            That’s as true as the one about billionaires being “job creators” 🙄

            This prevents open/total war between superpowers, and also has a suppressive effect even on larger non-superpower nations.

            More ridiculous propaganda. The US military prevents war in the same way as tornados prevent strong winds.

            And if you think our defense budget is inflated now, heaven help you if a near peer conflict actually would break out

            So what you’re saying is that spending as much as the 20 next countries wouldn’t be enough to fight ONE of those? Sounds awfully wasteful.

            Basically we pay a lot, year in and year out so that we don’t have to deal with war time spending

            Something like a single decade total HASN’T been war time for the 250 years the country has existed.

            and of course all the death and destruction as well.

            Except for those millions of pesky foreigners that of course have it coming 🙄

            You’re free to not like that, of course, but like I said, I’m 100% good with it.

            Because you’ve swallowed their lies hook, line and sinker.