A few years ago in a group stage match, Muller had a long ball coming towards him while he had his back to the ajax goal. Since the ball was not accurate enough and a little far from him, he jumped and lifted his leg up to around shoulder height to control the ball. What he did not know was that ajax defender was charging to head the ball away and he ended up unknowingly kicking him in the head. There was no doubt that it was completely unintended and Muller apologized profusely to the player but he was still rightfully sent for a serious foul and dangerous play. If the defender had not been there, Muller’s action to control the ball would have been perfectly fair. Similarly even though unintentional, rashford stamped on the guys ankle with his studs. That is a serious foul and deserves a red even if it leaves a sour taste in the mouth. But it is better this way because not giving Reds for these might encourage more risky play
I’m an ajax fan and remember this well (it was a foul against tagliafico I believe and I think mazraoui had gotten a red already).
Anyway, I totally agree with your assessment. You can see Rashford planting his foot to shield the ball. He’s not trying to touch the ball, he’s stomping his foot on what he hopes will be the ground but ends up being someone’s ankle. It’s a shame for him but easily avoidable.
These things used to be yellows at most. I personally am happy with VAR and think this should be a red.
I’m an ajax fan and remember this well (it was a foul against tagliafico I believe and I think mazraoui had gotten a red already).
I am a bayen fan and I remember that both the group stage games between ajax and Bayern that year were absolute bangers. I think the one we are taking about ended 3-3
this is nothing like that though, this is rashford shielding the ball, the defender tries to go through him and in doing so his foot is slid under rashford’s foot, this should never be a red.
what’s next? you slide under the running attackers foot and when he inadvertently stomps on you it’s a red card for serious foul play?
we will have people on set-pieces trying to get their feet under the jumping wall so that they get sent-off for serious foul play?
I mean what’s your logic here, ball shielding happens all the time, now all you need to do is time your tackle well enough so that your foot ends up under their leg and it will be a red card always?
No to mention pretty sure it’s against IFAB rules to show tackles in slow motion to assess severity… the ref was awaited by a standstill picture that makes it look like much worse than it is and then has no choice but to give a red card.
now all you need to do is time your tackle well enough so that your foot ends up under their leg and it will be a red card always?
The copenhagen player did not intentionally put his foot under rashford though. He was going for the ball and beat rashford to punch. It is no different than when fouls are given when a defender puts his foot between the ball and a player who trying to shoot at goal with the result of the player kicking the defender’s foot instead of the ball. In that situation it is a clear foul so why not here. Also please stop giving malicious intentional plays as examples
the defender tries to go through him and in doing so his foot is slid under rashford’s foot, this should never be a red.
The defender does not go through rashford, rather he tries to go to the ball before rashford and rashford is late to shield the ball. Rashford at no point was between the ball and his man from whom he was trying to shield and by the time he was, he had already stomped on him. You are given a yellow if you make a late challenge and red if the late tackle you make is dangerous. On the other hand if you time the tackle well, no matter how dangerous it would have been if the ball was not there, it is not a foul(unless you catch the player on the follow though studs up). Why is it that dangerous late tackles can be punished with red cards but a guy being late to plant his foot while shielding the ball and hence planting his foot on the guys ankle (pretty dangerous) cannot be punished similarly with a red¿?
ball shielding happens all the time
So does people lifting your feet high up to control high long balls. Many wingers and full backs do it. It is only a foul when you do it close to another player and only worthy of a red if you catch a player with your high foot. I expect the case here to be similar. Executed correctly, there is no problem with shielding the ball but you have to ensure that you reach the position from where you have to shield before your opponent.
this is nothing like that though
In both cases players took action which in a vacuum would be legal but because they did not account for the presence/positioning of their opponents, both of them are fouls. And because in both cases their foul ended up being something which can cause major damage to the opposition player, it ended up being red card worthy.
So does people lifting your feet high up to control high long balls. Many wingers and full backs do it. It is only a foul when you do it close to another player
this just points out how bad your analogy is, shielding he ball is always close to another player…
And because in both cases their foul ended up being something which can cause major damage to the opposition player, it ended up being red card worthy.
Last season Garnacho is tackled in the box against Southampton, is injured, not only is it not a red card, it’s not even called as a foul/penalty.
this just points out how bad your analogy is, shielding he ball is always close to another player…
Yeah my analogy ain’t perfect but there are 2 points. One is that shielding inherently safer than high foot so the fact it is done with people around doesn’t seem very critical to me. Second and more important is that in both cases, the fouls were not intentional but ended being a pretty serious fouls which in vacuum would both be given as a red card. Why
should rashford escape a red card when majorly messed up with his timing and player positional knowledge and ended up committing a pretty serious foul.
Last season Garnacho is tackled in the box against Southampton, is injured, not only is it not a red card, it’s not even called as a foul/penalty.
This is just incompetent refreeing which the PL is unfortunately completely full of
Why should rashford escape a red card when majorly messed up with his timing and player positional knowledge and ended up committing a pretty serious foul.
What knowledge? that the guy is behind him? he didn’t mess up his timing, the player lounging in did. it’s a simple accident, never a red, as said by anyone that has ever played football in their life.
but hey man, it’s only Scholes, Hargreaves, Henry, Carragher and Micah Richards who said on TV that’s never a red, I am sure you know better.
See I could be wrong. I am just expressing my opinions as a casual player and football enjoyer. I still think that rashford should have assessed that the player lunging will reach space before him. Just because it is an accident, does not mean there are no consequence.
It is fun chatting with you though. Was missing chains like these since leaving reddit.
A few years ago in a group stage match, Muller had a long ball coming towards him while he had his back to the ajax goal. Since the ball was not accurate enough and a little far from him, he jumped and lifted his leg up to around shoulder height to control the ball. What he did not know was that ajax defender was charging to head the ball away and he ended up unknowingly kicking him in the head. There was no doubt that it was completely unintended and Muller apologized profusely to the player but he was still rightfully sent for a serious foul and dangerous play. If the defender had not been there, Muller’s action to control the ball would have been perfectly fair. Similarly even though unintentional, rashford stamped on the guys ankle with his studs. That is a serious foul and deserves a red even if it leaves a sour taste in the mouth. But it is better this way because not giving Reds for these might encourage more risky play
I’m an ajax fan and remember this well (it was a foul against tagliafico I believe and I think mazraoui had gotten a red already).
Anyway, I totally agree with your assessment. You can see Rashford planting his foot to shield the ball. He’s not trying to touch the ball, he’s stomping his foot on what he hopes will be the ground but ends up being someone’s ankle. It’s a shame for him but easily avoidable.
These things used to be yellows at most. I personally am happy with VAR and think this should be a red.
I am a bayen fan and I remember that both the group stage games between ajax and Bayern that year were absolute bangers. I think the one we are taking about ended 3-3
this is nothing like that though, this is rashford shielding the ball, the defender tries to go through him and in doing so his foot is slid under rashford’s foot, this should never be a red.
what’s next? you slide under the running attackers foot and when he inadvertently stomps on you it’s a red card for serious foul play?
we will have people on set-pieces trying to get their feet under the jumping wall so that they get sent-off for serious foul play?
I mean what’s your logic here, ball shielding happens all the time, now all you need to do is time your tackle well enough so that your foot ends up under their leg and it will be a red card always?
No to mention pretty sure it’s against IFAB rules to show tackles in slow motion to assess severity… the ref was awaited by a standstill picture that makes it look like much worse than it is and then has no choice but to give a red card.
The copenhagen player did not intentionally put his foot under rashford though. He was going for the ball and beat rashford to punch. It is no different than when fouls are given when a defender puts his foot between the ball and a player who trying to shoot at goal with the result of the player kicking the defender’s foot instead of the ball. In that situation it is a clear foul so why not here. Also please stop giving malicious intentional plays as examples
The defender does not go through rashford, rather he tries to go to the ball before rashford and rashford is late to shield the ball. Rashford at no point was between the ball and his man from whom he was trying to shield and by the time he was, he had already stomped on him. You are given a yellow if you make a late challenge and red if the late tackle you make is dangerous. On the other hand if you time the tackle well, no matter how dangerous it would have been if the ball was not there, it is not a foul(unless you catch the player on the follow though studs up). Why is it that dangerous late tackles can be punished with red cards but a guy being late to plant his foot while shielding the ball and hence planting his foot on the guys ankle (pretty dangerous) cannot be punished similarly with a red¿?
So does people lifting your feet high up to control high long balls. Many wingers and full backs do it. It is only a foul when you do it close to another player and only worthy of a red if you catch a player with your high foot. I expect the case here to be similar. Executed correctly, there is no problem with shielding the ball but you have to ensure that you reach the position from where you have to shield before your opponent.
In both cases players took action which in a vacuum would be legal but because they did not account for the presence/positioning of their opponents, both of them are fouls. And because in both cases their foul ended up being something which can cause major damage to the opposition player, it ended up being red card worthy.
this just points out how bad your analogy is, shielding he ball is always close to another player…
Last season Garnacho is tackled in the box against Southampton, is injured, not only is it not a red card, it’s not even called as a foul/penalty.
Yeah my analogy ain’t perfect but there are 2 points. One is that shielding inherently safer than high foot so the fact it is done with people around doesn’t seem very critical to me. Second and more important is that in both cases, the fouls were not intentional but ended being a pretty serious fouls which in vacuum would both be given as a red card. Why should rashford escape a red card when majorly messed up with his timing and player positional knowledge and ended up committing a pretty serious foul.
This is just incompetent refreeing which the PL is unfortunately completely full of
What knowledge? that the guy is behind him? he didn’t mess up his timing, the player lounging in did. it’s a simple accident, never a red, as said by anyone that has ever played football in their life.
but hey man, it’s only Scholes, Hargreaves, Henry, Carragher and Micah Richards who said on TV that’s never a red, I am sure you know better.
See I could be wrong. I am just expressing my opinions as a casual player and football enjoyer. I still think that rashford should have assessed that the player lunging will reach space before him. Just because it is an accident, does not mean there are no consequence.
It is fun chatting with you though. Was missing chains like these since leaving reddit.