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And this dumb ass shit is how you get a second term of trump you fucking troglodytes.
Cheering to eat shit because you’re being threatened with eating a bigger shit
Never advocating to stop eating shit
Hey guys let’s destroy humanity to uphold “principles”
destroy humanity
What exactly do you think the bombs being sold right now by the US government/president to Israel are doing?
Yes it’s the principled voters destroying humanity not the ghouls capitulating to the defense contractors
You helped elect Trump, no matter how many times you lie to everyone about it
Hillary helped elect trump more than I did
Yeah you morons can’t accept reality which is you contributed ignorantly even though a toddler could see it coming
Homie you’re mad at the wrong person
But I guess I’m easier to bully on the internet than politicians
A lot of times it’s even like, “don’t talk about how bad the shit tastes! If you grimace you’re gonna get the bigger shit! Your natural reaction to eating shit is something you need to deny and suppress!”
Accepting it’s shit is step one, if you can’t even openly vocalize or emotionally express your discontent, how is anyone supposed to begin to organize. How do you know who else doesn’t like shit if everyone is just silently consenting to it.
As a queer person with friends whose literal well-being is in danger if Trump gets another term, but who are safe under Democrats, fuck you. Your privilege is how you can act this way. Refusing to vote for the “lesser of two evils” is a nice way to say you don’t give a fuck about marginalized people.
Yes spend your time fucking me instead of fucking the democrats running the worst candidates they can find. You definitely understand the point and will battle to eat the little shit instead of ways to stop eating shit at all.
Thanks for further making my point for me. I’m sure your principles will keep my trans friends safe.
Neither will Biden
Weird, guess reality has been missed by you. Lots of protections put in place over the last few years, lots of attacks during the Trump administration. Stop making excuses for your apathy.
Stop making excuses for your apathy.
Why?
Liberal take right now is, “I support Biden 100%, it’s just a shame how the genocide his government is enabling and vocally supporting is hurting his poll numbers.”
It’s not like Trump wouldn’t be doing the same thing sending weapons to a fascist government, I mean that’s American foreign policy 101, but it takes a particularly sadistic American perspective to care more about how it makes them look in the polls than the horrors inflicted by the state.
Something tells me you don’t know what people think since this is not accurate and indicates a level of stupidity I won’t further respond to
I won’t further respond to
And yet
Search Google news or similar aggregate for “Biden poll numbers Israel Gaza Palestine” and you will find many liberal pundits making this exact point. Public opinion doesn’t support this genocide but the government does, should tell you something there.
For the second point you only have to have a cursory glance at US-sponsored regime changes and coups, the right/fascist group supporting foreign private business interests is the one the US supports.
Who honestly gives a fuck about pundits? I don’t, because my IQ is over 70.
Inconvenient for this idiot ^ https://lemmy.world/post/8014046
If you truly didn’t care you would agree with the criticisms that apply rather than paradoxically dismiss them. It’s wrong that this media apparatus, supported by partisan political and corporate interests, divorced from public sentiment, cares more about Biden’s poll numbers than genocide, correct? This is very easy to agree with unless you are personally invested in this political system to the point where you can’t criticize aspects of it that are engaged in genocide.
“Don’t criticize Biden for supporting genocide, that’s how you get another Trump term.” What can you criticize if not genocide, this is fucked.
Ignorant morons go on the block list.
Ignorant morons go on the block list.
It’s ignorant and moronic to criticize a president and government for enabling genocide? Okay.
“Don’t criticize the genocide supporting president, it might help the other genocide supporting president.” Accepting how fucked this is is a pre-requisite for any change that could happen so good luck with the status quo there.
Huh. I never thought about how Big Bird actually was controlled before. Neat.
Apparently by defense contractors.
#birdsarentreal
The only way to 100% solve this is by:
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organizing, supplanting party insiders from the ground up over years, with hard work and dedication through many years, with no guarantee of success
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risk it for a biscuit
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accept messy incrementalism into your heart
Eh, global thermonuclear warfare might do in a pinch.
I’m gonna put that on the “bad options” pile and recommend therapy.
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The feet are the financial industry.
And the cloaca are the healthcare providers.
It’s almost like the generations and groups that care about not going to war and whatnot don’t go out and vote…
Anti-war lefties tend to be comfortable voting for third party candidates.
Yup. The only practical effect of which is to enable the Right.
Voting for the center-right Democrats enables the right as well, as necessary as some may feel it is to prevent the openly fascist candidates from winning. Democrat PACs give money to run ads for the most insane fascist Republican primary candidates, with the strategy being they are easier to win against, which has worked for them before. Hillary’s campaign helped Trump’s campaign in a similar manner. Over time this drags politics to the right.
This is a downward spiral, you can pick the fascist aesthetic of it or the one that says “don’t worry everything is fine.”
Almost like, instead of sitting out and complaining, we need to get involved in the primaries and go for the farthest left candidates who can win…
It’s easy to sit on the sidelines and complain or to say voting is pointless. This enables the status quo. What’s harder but meaningful is getting involved and affecting real change.
Good luck with the superdelegates overriding anyone who wants to effect change. Bernie, specifically, and whoever the next person will be. The DNC is a disgrace.
I think Obama represented the best the DNC can hope for in producing a candidate, and Adolph Reed Jr’s 1996 column criticizing Obama was a perfect prediction of what became of his legacy.
I’m super curious what you wanted to have happen. Overall, Clinton won the Democratic primary vote 55% to 43%. So, the votes should have been over-ridden because the candidate you and I preferred got fewer votes? (Yes, they also got more delegates but at the end of the day, the vote total was in line with the delegates.)
Agree and I also disagree that criticizing aspects and futility of presidential voting implies it’s completely meaningless. The ideological consensus within the two main parties that came together over the past 30 years has never existed before, and the system was basically designed around independent rich landowners controlling the government, factions developing within this system was one of the main concerns. That’s where it is now, two factions which each operate as a single ideological unit, led by some of the most historically disliked and unpopular people, both funded by planet-destroying interests.
In terms of action I look to what has led to major changes in the past, labor and class organization and agitation, and accepting that things are looking bad and that it’s necessary to acknowledge this. Understanding how the present day system was basically designed around suppressing things like the Populist movement and any class consciousness, the Taft-Hartley act pacifying unions, and how fucked it is right now, is to me more important than blindly accepting the terms of party politics and letting that control your political behavior and dictate your opinions. That’s why I have no time for entertaining the “don’t criticize Democrats because you help fascism” line. People can vote strategically but the logical conclusion of that is to accept the status quo and the impending doom this system has already manifested, and continues to do at an accelerating rate.
Saying both parties are the same is absolutely the same as saying it’s meaningless.
That’s why I have no time for entertaining the “don’t criticize Democrats because you help fascism” line.
No one is saying that. What I’m saying is that saying both parties are the same is helping the bad guys. Criticize the Democrats sure, but also note that all those criticisms apply except worse to the Republicans. Criticize and demand change in a way that helps progressives rather than conservatives.
Consider that Gore would be president if a bunch of goofs hadn’t voted for Nader. Consider that we face a very real possibility of another trump presidency because a number of us don’t like Biden.
People can vote strategically but the logical conclusion of that is to accept the status quo
That’s just utter nonsense. The logical conclusion is to vote as best you can in the moment, and work for better options next time. Like getting likeminded people involved in the vehicle most likely to carry the necessary changes, in America, that’s the Democrats.
It’s hard to say Democrats are the ones to make necessary changes when they are in real material terms bringing the whole political sphere to the right by helping the most insane Republicans win primaries. Like Hillary’s campaign early on wanted Trump to be the GOP primary winner, what a joke that would have been, they’d look ridiculous! Lots of races around the country have had the same influence, Democrat PACs run ads on behalf of the fascist GOP candidates, it helps them sometimes because they get to say “hey if you don’t vote for me you’re helping the crazy person over there.” Over time it’s clear what this is doing though, since the 90s-00s, this is a downward spiral. Change has to come from outside, the more people think the Democrat apparatus is the machine for change the more history will simply repeat itself, further sliding to the right as what’s been the case since Reagan. Why would it be different? Bernie was the nail in the coffin, the delegates aren’t interested, unless you can replace the delegates there’s no hope in the Democrat machine. People need to wake up to this and move on to new organization, and it will happen as people become more desperate and stressed by the degrading conditions of life in the US. I have more hope in the labor movement right now than I do in party politics despite the obligation to vote, that’s where the improvements have come from historically anyway.
It’s almost like of US would stop military spending, no dictatorship would join them, and would continue to arm themselves.
It’s very easy to criticize it when you never experienced an actual war and never lived in a country that was invaded, because other countries are afraid of attacking your country.
I feel like the government is often a quest giver. The executive branch will let all of these companies run free so long as they do some project for the government on occasion. Like the NSA server deal with Microsoft. This is of course even more true with defense contractors, which get absurd contracts to “keep engineers trained” and the government tries to give the Mail Truck contract to Northrop-Grumman.
