And I agree with them. When I learn to paint or take a cool picture, I may learn and be inspired from copyright materials. No one asks successful artists to audit the training materials that inspired them. But start telling AI companies they must do that, and I guarantee the precedent will be set to go after a human for learning from them. Don’t you dare tell people who you were inspired from when you make it big in your craft.
When I pay AI companies for anything, it’s not a proxy for copyright material, it’s for a service they provide serving, processing, or training the model. We will still require artists and creative people, even if all they do is skillfully prompt an AI tool to render art. But doing only that will be banal and not the pinnacle of what can be achieved with AI-assisted art creation. Art will still require the toil and circumstance that it always has.
Restricting AI from training on copyright materials is a vain and pointless exercise, but one of many that are meant to bring us to fear and loathe AI. It is one of many fears that the powerful want us to adopt… This is a technology that can and will lift us all if we can stop fearing it. But if we can’t do that, it won’t simply go away… It will only be driven into the bowels of the rich and powerful, so that they alone will benefit from it.
All the shovel journalism out there has a very strong purpose… to scare us, so this great equalizer will not be open and free and accessible. Don’t let them do this.
I was going to make this exact point. Very well said.
If we start saying intelligence owes fees to its training data, we’re basically saying humans are restricted by the licenses of the things they’ve been exposed to.
It’s only a matter of time until artificial intelligence matches biological intelligence, and if the precedent is set now, it’s going to make the future very sticky.
Your argument is tired. Have you ever simply prompted a generative txt2img and told it to make 100 or even 200 in the batch? You might have 1 or 2 that shine and are interesting without any touch up. But almost every one will require inpainting, photoshop work, or other creative modifications to be worth a damn. And even then some won’t be.
Like I said in my comment. It will be banal without real creativity. It doesn’t even take millions of “paintings” to get there. No one will care about cheaply manufactured junk after the novelty wears off. We will demand more than that.
Ultimately it will be a tool that extends all our creativity. It already is. But if we fear it because of arguments like yours then laws will be made to keep it out of the hands of the common plebe. But it won’t disappear. You can bet your ass it won’t. It will just be used in dark places by powerful people, and not just for banal image prompting. And then you can fear it rightfully.
You’re missing (or ignoring) the point of my argument. A human who learns from other work can only apply that skill in a limited amount. Even if a human learns to copy Van Gogh’s style and continually churns out minor variations of his work, they cannot produce dozens per minute. Let alone learn to do that equally well from several hundreds (thousands?) of other artists. There’s a scale difference in human learning versus machine learning that is astronomical.
I’m not sure what you’re going on about with “fear”. But I think that training a model on non-public domain content, without the permission of (or even crediting) the creator should be illegal.
And I agree with them. When I learn to paint or take a cool picture, I may learn and be inspired from copyright materials. No one asks successful artists to audit the training materials that inspired them. But start telling AI companies they must do that, and I guarantee the precedent will be set to go after a human for learning from them. Don’t you dare tell people who you were inspired from when you make it big in your craft.
When I pay AI companies for anything, it’s not a proxy for copyright material, it’s for a service they provide serving, processing, or training the model. We will still require artists and creative people, even if all they do is skillfully prompt an AI tool to render art. But doing only that will be banal and not the pinnacle of what can be achieved with AI-assisted art creation. Art will still require the toil and circumstance that it always has.
Restricting AI from training on copyright materials is a vain and pointless exercise, but one of many that are meant to bring us to fear and loathe AI. It is one of many fears that the powerful want us to adopt… This is a technology that can and will lift us all if we can stop fearing it. But if we can’t do that, it won’t simply go away… It will only be driven into the bowels of the rich and powerful, so that they alone will benefit from it.
All the shovel journalism out there has a very strong purpose… to scare us, so this great equalizer will not be open and free and accessible. Don’t let them do this.
I was going to make this exact point. Very well said.
If we start saying intelligence owes fees to its training data, we’re basically saying humans are restricted by the licenses of the things they’ve been exposed to.
It’s only a matter of time until artificial intelligence matches biological intelligence, and if the precedent is set now, it’s going to make the future very sticky.
So tired of this bs argument.
… you will never be able to generate millions of paintings per day, so why even pretend it’s relevant here?
Your argument is tired. Have you ever simply prompted a generative txt2img and told it to make 100 or even 200 in the batch? You might have 1 or 2 that shine and are interesting without any touch up. But almost every one will require inpainting, photoshop work, or other creative modifications to be worth a damn. And even then some won’t be.
Like I said in my comment. It will be banal without real creativity. It doesn’t even take millions of “paintings” to get there. No one will care about cheaply manufactured junk after the novelty wears off. We will demand more than that.
Ultimately it will be a tool that extends all our creativity. It already is. But if we fear it because of arguments like yours then laws will be made to keep it out of the hands of the common plebe. But it won’t disappear. You can bet your ass it won’t. It will just be used in dark places by powerful people, and not just for banal image prompting. And then you can fear it rightfully.
You’re missing (or ignoring) the point of my argument. A human who learns from other work can only apply that skill in a limited amount. Even if a human learns to copy Van Gogh’s style and continually churns out minor variations of his work, they cannot produce dozens per minute. Let alone learn to do that equally well from several hundreds (thousands?) of other artists. There’s a scale difference in human learning versus machine learning that is astronomical.
I’m not sure what you’re going on about with “fear”. But I think that training a model on non-public domain content, without the permission of (or even crediting) the creator should be illegal.