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Protestation@mujico.org to Communism@lemmy.ml · 2 年前

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Protestation@mujico.org to Communism@lemmy.ml · 2 年前
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  • Devilsadvocate@reddthat.com
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    Yeah that sucks, but in most communist countries that exist or have existed… don’t people just starve en masse?

    Capitalism is morally bankrupt, but it prevents more famine (within its borders) than it causes

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      The cias own data on the ddr disproves this.

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        Oh I mean we can trust the cia, sure.

        Lemme see a link :)

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          the classic

          Who knows why they released it. It was averaged across all Soviet citizens, not just the ddr.

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            I mean this is just for the ssr, which is by far the most successful example of a communist power.

            But most current and past communist countries famously have famines.

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              I’m almost 100% that it was an average but even so. May I see the famines?

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                https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1930–1933

                https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korean_famine

                https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine

                https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Period

                These are the ones I remember specifically

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                  So two from checks notes 80 years ago in regions that experienced famine every 10 years and never experienced famine again, one literally caused by a us blockade and one caused by a us blockade and a catastrophic flood that hit 30% of the country.

                  When I get back to the computer we can compare that to the famines experienced by capitalist countries during the same period.

                  Regardless, the suggestion that communism is somehow fundamentally bound to malnutrition is ahistorical.

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                    Yeah that’s true, but i never said that it’s fundamentally bound. Just that communist countries have a high amount of famines.

                    The proportion of number of communist countries to famines in those countries is higher than that of capitalist countries to famines in those countries.

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                The whole doc is talking about the caloric intake of a Soviet citizen

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                  That’s what made me think it was across the whole Soviet Union. The cia was usually pretty specific about what particular soviet they meant because their data would be used in operations against those particular states.

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