A law under consideration by the German parliament would mean that people who have committed anti-Semitic acts can never be granted citizenship, German Interior Minister Nancy Faeser said on Wednesday.

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      Israel is objectively in the right in the war but I’m afraid that defining anti semite could mean anyone they don’t like

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        Why do you say that they’re in the right? Serious question and not being confrontational. I really want to know what people think about this whole thing.

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          Europe was a pile of smoking rubble after World War 2 and they didn’t want to deal with all the Jewish refugees displaced by the war. So they used a Bronze Age fairy tale as an excuse to drop an entire country in the middle of somebody else’s country in the Middle East and steal a bunch of land from the people who had been living there for centuries, if not millennia.

          Therefore, Israel has a right to exist. QED.

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            they didn’t want to deal with all the Jewish refugees displaced by the war

            Also, many Jewish refugees did not want to return to countries that had handed them over to the Nazis.

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            A bronze era fairy tale? It historical fact that Jews lived in Israel for thousands of years and built all the cities from there.

            Jews started immigrating to Palestine in the 1800s and it’s that point that many of the current arabs immigrated as well as the Jews developed the land. The arabs did not care if a Muslim immigrated from Iraq but were against a Jew from Iraq because they are fascist.

            At the behest of arabs the British who controlled Palestine restricted Jewish immigration, and yes WW2 refugees lived in camps in Cyprus for 5 years because no one would take them. That is why there had to be a specifically Jewish state. In 1948 the UN partition plan taking a small piece of Palestine for a Jewish state where arabs could live freely and equally and not be displaced was accepted by the Jews and the arabs went to war over it.

            Jews are the natives of the land, it is so asinine that Muslims who have entirely Muslim countries from Morocco to Pakistan would be in hysterics over this thing. You see the way they destroy historical artifacts in Afghanistan, Iran, these are the most belligerent, fascist and anti semitic people.

            What other example in the world is there an example of people who are native to the land being barred from living there?

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            This guy gets it.

            Putting the Jews in Palestine was racist AF. They should have been given Germany. Its just the Europeans didn’t want them in Europe.

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              The Jews weren’t put there, they went there because that is the land they are native to. The Muslims for a long time had racist laws against Jews immigrating but allowed Muslims and even forced Muslim groups like the circassians to immigrate.

              If the Muslims in Palestine are so offended by having the native people of Israel live there peacefully and generate tremendous wealth, why on earth should Western countries accept the Muslim foreigners who hate the west, are criminals and live off welfare ?

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            middle of somebody else’s country in the Middle East

            This did not occur

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              It did tho.

              Imagine trying to pretend that Palestine didn’t exist just cuz colonial England said “this is ours”.

              It’s like saying Vietnam wasn’t vietnamese when the French “owned” it.

              Statehood is not relevant in the context of forcibly moving ppl from their generational homes.

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                Imagine trying to pretend that Palestine didn’t exist just cuz colonial England said “this is ours”.

                The British Mandate of Palestine (which was not a state), arose because of the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire. Palestine has literally never been a country, in all of human history. There were Jews living there at the time, too.

                The only people who have ever seriously tried to make Palestine a country are the Israelis (and by proxy the US/UN)

                Gaza and the West Bank were parts of Jordan and Egypt, lost during the 6 Day War, so even then the area we call Palestine wasn’t Palestinian. Israel gave them the territory, and was under no obligation to do so.

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                  Again being an officially recognized state has nothing to do with it. You act like colonized people have no inherent right unless the UN recognizes them as a state. That is not only false but laughably absurd.

                  You’ve created a completely arbitrary rule that demonizes Arabs for really racist reasons.

                  Palestine was recognized by the people who lived their as theirs. For thousands of years. Doesn’t matter if it was ottoman or England. Those Palestinians were there until English decisions pushed them off the land.

                  Those are facts u can’t dispute.

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                    You said they took over someone’s country, and that never happened. I certainly didn’t bring up a factually-incorrect point and argue against it.

                    Palestine was recognized by the people who lived their as theirs. For thousands of years.

                    This is an extreme oversimplification that also denies there were many ethnic groups in the region. There was no “Palestinian” identity for those thousands of years.

                    I strongly support a two-state solution and Palestine becoming a country for the first time ever. Hamas does not.

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          Because if you know the history you know that it is the pals who are belligerent and have instigated every conflict guided by islamic fascism, that their can be no non Muslim nation in the middle east (and later on for the world)

          Obviously Jews have a reason for living in the land, Jews are the natives of the land , you can see in Jerusalem there is a mosque built on top of the Jewish temple, I don’t think it’s hard to figure out who the colonizer is.

          Most of history is reaction to another thing… But if you look up the 1948nparririon plan you will see that Israel was willing to accept a tiny Jewish state on land which was largely uninhabited and the inhabited part Jewish. The arabs went to war against it under the premise there can be no Jewish state. Preceding the state of Israel there were laws against Jewish immigration and discriminatory laws against Jews in every Muslim country.

          Palestine was not a nation in any sense, there were many groups of people and one side of the land had nothing to do with another. Jordan was part of Palestine as was given the the ‘heshimite’ family which is not from there and no one seems to mind.

          So it is clear the opposition to a Jewish state on any form is based in bigoted Islamic fascism, I don’t know how this couldn’t be clear to someone when you see what the Muslims have done to Christians in Lebanon and syria, Hindus in India, and to each other in the Syrian cival war, iran-iraq war etc…

          You can see over the years Israel has made many concessions for peace, offered Palestinian states many times, has RESTRAINED military responses. What steps have the pals ever taken towards peace? They receive millions in aid and use it to build rockets. How asinine can you be to claim to care about the ‘history of the land’ and seek to exclude Judaism? Jews are the natives of the land, arabs and islam are from arabia. It would be like being in genocidal hysterics over indian reservations.

          The people supporting pals are Islamic fascists and slogan yelling clueless teenagers

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        Oh look… somebody running interference for a genocidal white supremacist colonialist state.

        Ho hum.