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Israel’s military suggested on Tuesday that the United Nations ask Hamas for fuel supplies after the U.N. agency providing aid to Palestinian civilians in the Gaza Strip warned it would have to halt operations on Wednesday night if no fuel was delivered.
The agency, known as UNRWA, posted its warning on social media on Tuesday. The Israel Defense Forces reposted it and said that Hamas militants have more than 500,000 litres of fuel in tanks inside besieged Gaza.
“Ask Hamas if you can have some,” the IDF wrote.
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I have to say, Israelis are pretty good at cutting down my empathy towards them.
And then they turn around and ask for funds/resources from the US.
No asking required, Biden promised ‘unconditional support’. It’s a blank cheque and they couldn’t even write “not for genocide” on it.
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It seems like they may be getting advice from Elon on how to piss off everyone.
And what happens if UNWRA does just that? Then they’ll be shamed and accused of working with a terrorist organization. It’s a no-win situation.
The reply should be, “Who should we be working with to draw equitable borders to ensure security? We’re not just asking for supplies, we’re forging local alliances to work on future solutions. “
Ask Hamas… also, get within 6 blocks of Hamas, and we’ll probably kill you. Given a little time, we’ll probably kill you anyway.
Israel have the motivation and means to commit a genocide. Hamas terrorism was always going to be the pretext, it was just a question of when. Meanwhile, the civilians all get fucked - though not remotely equally.
What absolute pieces of shit.
Hamas? yeah
can’t get lower than shooting rockets from next to hospitals, schools, etc, forbidding people to leave because you know you’d be exposed without them as shields and still pinning every casualty for your behaviour on the country that you just slaughtered hundreds of people of without any reason other than to provoke
Nice try, but there’s assholes on both sides and i actually think Israel is worse simply because so many are willing to turn a blind eye for some reason.
I’m not disproving or I agreeing to assholes on both sides theory.
But the reasoning that one side is worse because someone turns blind eye to them is dangerous. Humanity should always consider actions and not judge party in the opposite of someone else opinion.
The reason is that they’re being threatened with actual, literal, genocide.
Isreal is literally committing genocide on a larger scale than Hamas could ever dream of.
Your argument is that Isreal is morally permitted to inflict actual genocide in response to a perceived threat of genocide?
You’re either oblivious to reality or living in denial, and most certainly engaging in emotional reasoning; not logic.
Isreal is literally committing genocide
The word “literally” has lost all meaning lol
So you deny Isreal’s mass murder of innocent Palestinians? Or do you just not understand the meaning of the words “literally” and “genocide”?
Or do you just not understand the meaning of the words “literally” and “genocide”?
This, but you.
Also your use of “murder” is inappropriate in this context.
Yeah leftists are hella dumb.
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Being correct is its own reward
You knew what I meant. Israel propped up Hamas for years because it created a rift between Gaza and the West Bank and stalled the creation of the Palestinian state. Israel has been complicit in Hamas’s rise to power and in these attacks. Even Jewish media has admitted that Netanyahu’s govt has allowed them to gain power because it divides Palestine. They want all Palestinians to be seen as terrorists so they can get western support for their genocide. Israeli news even reported about the Hamas training exercises weeks before the actual attack, and if they knew, imagine how much more Israeli intelligence knew. Now they want to starve the Palestinians and are making public jokes about their intent to the UN. Fuck the fascist IDF! Free Palestine! (And no I do not support hamas and never have).
stalled the creation of the Palestinian state
It would be weird for Israel to intend there not to be a Palestinian state when they have continually offered the Palestinians creation of the very first Palestinian state.
Israel funded Hamas as an opponent to Abbas, who was fighting against a Palestinian state. That was really stupid, it turns out, but not for the reasons you’ve suggested.
You know, since you’re very knowledgeable about Hamas can you answer a question for me?
I’m West Bank, where there’s no Hamas presence, Palestinians are still getting killed by the IDF. Can you tell me the reason?
Wow, that’s cartoonishly evil. It’s like they held an internal contest on the “Most horrible thing we could say in response”.
Almost as evil as Hamas sitting on a huge amount of money in Quatar and lots of oil but instead of supporting the people in Gaza they prefer using them as human shields and letting them suffer without any support and try to pin the suffering on Israel for not letting them slaughter civilians without realiation…
Yeah, dick thing to say but Israel is literally saying to ask your apparent government to provide for their people from their own stock.
What else are they going to use it for, and is that more important than their citizens?
The people running Israel right now are literally Nazi-allied legacies. When you realize who and how it is perfectly in character.
Hamas is literally the government in Gaza. It’s not a joke so much as them sugg sting that they rely on their government for it’s specific purpose.
Hamas has stockpiled reserves of supplies, but they keep them from the citizens. This isn’t even counting their money, which could be used to provide aid for their citizens instead of wealth and weapons for themselves.
I think this is the key thing that makes me side with Israel. There is soo much “Israel this, illegal blockade that” when the literal Palestinian government has things they are holding from their citizens. That is an internal government decision.
Hamas is, at the end of the day, an organization dedicated to making martyrs of their people first and providing for them second.
This isn’t speculation or opinion - this is their official stance
I love how easy it is for you to be onkwith this because you’ve been told they do in fact have a government. But they don’t. Not really. A 45 square km patch, 2M total pop, with 50% being literal kids.
But yes they’re just as organized ,capable and sustained as other large western nations. They must be bombed, surely!
They do literally have a government. Did you really think they don’t? They even had elections until Hamas stopped those.
Yeah man we had elections at my high school too, they really amounted to a lot.
I’m glad Hamas wasn’t in your high school, canceling elections.
If you think Gaza doesn’t have a government then you are just factually incorrect and idk what else to tell you.
It’s like if you came on here and acted confidently aloof about saying that Mars is blue. You’re just wrong on a very basic level.
Sounds like the kind of place that needs another country to come in before they get radicalized and do something stupid.
Most moral army my middle fucking nut. Fully happy to genocide all Palestinians because of the actions of terrorists funded by Israel
A Napoleonic era artillery barrages could flatten Gaza in a couple of weeks. They’re clearly not attempting to genocide all Gazans. To believe that requirea the belief that the IDF is the most incompetent military force to ever walk the planet.
I would argue this is still genocide, just not at a rapid rate:
2.2 million people are unable to access a consistent supply of food!
And that’s the fault of their government who started a war. In no other conflict, has there been the expectation that in a war between parties A and B, that A feed, clothe and care for the civilians in party Bs territory that party B militarily controls.
2.2 million people are unable to access a consistent supply of food!
And that is the fault of Hamas for not properly preparing for this war they started. They had the initiative, they could have stockpiled the basic goods it’s civilians would need. They chose not to.
- Iran
Not much left before they say out loud what they really think: everyone beyond the wall we built is in fact, hamas. Easier to bomb once put in the same bzg
Disclamer! don’t look for hidden meaning, I’m honestly currious. Why isn’t Gaza supplied by sea yet ? Are those waters too shallow or something ? Iran and other Hammas allies could send them fuel, food etc by sea.
Also why are they digging those tunnels , can’t the supplies be brought through as well ?
Edit: I don’t mean secret military supplies, but rather humatiarian help that can go under official UN flag or similar organization .Why isn’t Gaza supplied by sea yet
You’d have to shoot your way through the Israeli navy. And they have German submarines so, basically, forget it: They can shoot at you while you can’t even see them. Ask US carrier group admirals about their experiences with those subs in training manoeuvres.
Also why are they digging those tunnels , can’t the supplies be brought through as well ?
The tunnels are Hamas-controlled and supplying Hamas isn’t exactly the goal of the UN.
The tunnels are Hamas-controlled and supplying Hamas isn’t exactly the goal of the UN.
I meant basic supplies for civilians. Obviously UN won’t supply Hammas but Hammas says they are the just guys so they could open the tunnel or two for UN.
You’d have to shoot your way through the Israeli navy.
I meant basic supplies for civilians which could go under UN flag. I admit that mentioning Iran etc was missleading into military support. But for offIcial UN mission, I somehow doubt that US, Nato or even Israeli navy would sink aNY ship that has blue helmets on the board on humanitarian mission.
Ask US carrier group admirals about their experiences with those subs in training manoeuvres.
more info pls
There have been multiple war games where German and Swedish subs on the “enemy” team have popped up within a few hundred metres of a US carrier, snapped a picture (which could have been a torpedo launch) and escaped again without being detected.
any links to these? sound fun
Gah can’t find good English articles they’re all talking about France or Sweden doing the same, but have a German one. And that’s referring to Type 206 submarines who sneak on battery power instead of hydrogen, Israel’s Dolphins are essentially a bit bigger Type 212s.
It’s basically become a sport by now for NATO submarine crews to “sink” US carriers in exercises, kind of like a rite of passage for any new sub.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
UNITED NATIONS, Oct 24 (Reuters) - Twenty trucks were unable to transport aid to Palestinian civilians in the besieged Gaza Strip on Tuesday, the United Nations said as U.S. President Joe Biden dubbed humanitarian efforts to deliver help via a crossing from Egypt as “not fast enough.”
“We hope the materials can enter Gaza tomorrow,” said U.N. aid spokesperson Eri Kaneko.
It has become the focus of efforts to deliver aid since Israel imposed a “total siege” of the enclave in retaliation for an attack by Hamas militants on Oct. 7.
Senior U.N. aid official Lynn Hastings had earlier told the Security Council that 20 trucks were due to cross on Tuesday.
White House national security spokesman John Kirby on Tuesday described Israel’s concerns as legitimate.
The U.N. agency providing aid to Palestinians in Gaza, UNRWA, warned on Tuesday that it would have to halt its operations on Wednesday night if there were no fuel deliveries.
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The UN should revoke Israel’s founding charter, they’ve gone rogue and need to be brought to heel.
Why are we writing ‘Defence’ without the air-quotes?
Because Reuters tries to maintain factual and neutral reporting of information. And the Israeli defense forces do not put quotes in their own name
