Because it never was about children, they’re just an excuse.
*an excuse to harm people who don’t think like them.
Their olive branches turned to spears.
They were never olive branches. They were grasping claws to try and make you act like them, not to understand a different perspective. Once they realized they couldn’t pull more people over, the spears come out. It’s what a desperate loser does when they become the minority: Try to restore majority control, even if that means literally changing the numbers of people who count.
This is it - violence was always the intent… They just lack the power to get away with the violence, so they work toward it.
If everyone they don’t like is raping kids (pay no attention to the projection to justify their own actions), what should we do about that? I don’t think it’s an exaggeration to say this would escalate to death camps almost immediately.
Why would they bother with death camps? That implies they give a shit enough to keep it a secret.
What about a large institution that large numbers of people are ferried to before being slaughtered seems secretive to you?
It’s not as though there’s a number of historical examples of exactly this kind of thing, right?
I mean, there were a shitload of Germans that stated they didn’t know what was happening. Seems like they did a decent job of keeping it a secret from them.
Yeah - the SS were kicking in my neighbours’ doors and violently hauling them away, never to be seen again as they spout genocidal rhetoric… I’m sure they just took them to a farm upstate where they can run and play all day. Also, your family dog is still alive at 27 - he went to live with them too.
Any plausible deniability faded pretty quickly on that one given the overt rhetoric and actions of those involved. Gellately talks about this reasonably extensively.
Right. It’s about forcing the types of people the backwards of society are most uncomfortable with into the shadows, in the name of “saving children,” the same children they don’t give two shits about
It bothers me how many different ways republicans are hypocrites, and yet none of them give a damn.
Drag queens teach people and especially kids how to look beyond initial appearances when forming judgments and reactions. This devastates the GOP.
There is no logic behind it. We do ourselves a disservice by treating their warped morality as anything other than bigotry that should be squelched.
Because they think that if the kid gets pregnant they should get married. Meanwhile they fear that the child may be “corrupted”. They see marriage as holy or normal even if it happens too soon.
Source: have dated a former underage bride
Melanie used logic. That was Melanie’s first mistake.
Also forcing children to give birth without medical assistance(meaning abortion)
Girls must be taught to be objectified and controlled. Not learn to be inclusive or to think for themselves from books.
Belle “Gaston, you are positively primeval.”
/s right?
Yes.
my sister once did one of the [hopefully] non-pedophile ones. it was so weird and unpleasant and frivolous and strange at every stage – a hybrid of awful stage mothers / dance mothers / cheerleading mothers plus very very insidious and insane body shaming
Its not about protecting children from abuse and manipulation, its about protecting children from growing up into intelligent, compassionate people who won’t vote red.
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Cunningham’s law? I’ll bite.
TLDR: Some American Christians don’t practice what they preach. Unfortunately they’re the ones with power / wealth.
he will smite … if they disrespect their parents …
"For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. And a person’s enemies will be those of his own household. Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. "
- Jesus H. Christ, Matthew 10:35-37
God said to rape, fuck, abuse the children
“Whoever receives one such child in my name receives me, but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.
- Jesus H. Christ, Matthew 18:5-6
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It’s not like modern American “Christians”(evangelical in particular) would give Jesus the time of fucking day. They’d call him a simp soyboi lib’rul
You’re assuming that modern religious orthodoxy correlates their views and behavior to progressive cherry picked passages from their texts.
While Jesus does say those things, modern conservative religious figures bring up “spoil the rod spoil the child” from the OT to rationalize and justify their own world view.
For example, would you argue that the conservative Judaism in Israel today is likely to support eradication of any political division or disenfranchisement between Palestinians and Israelis given the following in the Torah:
When an alien resides with you in your land, you shall not oppress the alien. The alien who resides with you shall be to you as the native-born among you; you shall love the alien as yourself, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.
- Leviticus 19:33-34 (similar statement in Deuteronomy 10:19)
No, of course not. They are going to pick and choose from things like the ahistorical book of Joshua’s divine entitlement to seize territory from Canaanites (for which there’s zero evidence of it having even happened) to justify what they want to justify while ignoring passages that would force them to behave differently from how they would want to.
The tenets of a current religious movement is only tenuously connected to earlier source material and frequently involves multiple layers of reinterpretation and selective sourcing.
There’s even evidence that parts of the New Testament were literally rewritten to reverse inconvenient teachings of a historical Jesus, such as how at the last supper in Luke he reversed the prohibition on carrying a purse when ministering (making monetary collections impossible) - found unanimously across the Synoptics. That passage isn’t found in Marcion’s version of Luke, which may be the earliest extant form of it, but it is very convenient to set up things like the older couple struck dead for not giving Peter all their money in Acts 5.
Smorgasbord theology
Yeah, that’s what I was already pointing out in my original comment.
but it is very convenient to set up things like the older couple struck dead for not giving Peter all their money in Acts 5.
But they didn’t die because they didn’t give the money. They died because they said they gave all the money but hadn’t. They died because they lied, not because they didn’t give money.
I don’t know how you can read that passage and come away with the idea that they died because they didn’t give money to the church.
Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God.”
Acts 5:1-10 [emphasis mine]
[Jesus] reversed the prohibition on carrying a purse when ministering
Why can’t things change across a narrative? That’s like saying “Harry Potter can’t be a wizard because at the start of the story he didn’t have magical powers. So he can’t go to wizarding school later on. This story makes no sense.”
Technically, no one actually died, the story is simply a narrative attempting to parallel the story of Achan keeping the spoils of Jericho for himself in the book of Joshua.
And yeah, sure, it was because they lied. Because if they only gave a dollar of the proceeds and kept the rest for themselves, that would have been fine, which was why the author was explicitly paralleling that one other time when someone kept goods for themselves and died for it.
Why can’t things change across a narrative.
They do - especially when the narrative is gradually constructed over centuries.
For example, early on in the narrative of Christian canon development you have 1 Cor 9 where Paul is debating with other Christians in Corinth who oppose the notion of people ministering being able to have monetary gain (in keeping with the no purse prohibition and sentiments found elsewhere in extra-canonical sayings attributed to Jesus).
A few decades later you have the Gospel of Mark written which contained a saying attributed to Jesus opposing carrying a purse when ministering with no exceptions.
Later on, this gets copied into Luke and Matthew who use Mark as a source.
Later on, Marcion’s version of Luke gets recorded by critics quoting it, so we know that version at that time has absolutely no last supper reversal of carrying a purse. So either Marcion was very selectively removing a ton of nuanced things from across the Epistles and Luke… or things were being added in later on (like when Paul swears to the Holy Spirit he’s telling the truth in Romans 9:1, an entire chapter absent from Marcion’s version).
Finally, the versions of Luke we have today have a special reversal of not carrying a purse that’s more in line with Paul’s side of the argument in 1 Cor 9 and the practices of the canonical church over the years after Jesus was dead. A reversal that was absent in the earliest version of Luke recorded.
So yeah, narratives do change. Just like there’s a first edition, then a second edition, etc.
So yeah, narratives do change. Just like there’s a first edition, then a second edition, etc.
That’s not an example of the internal narrative changing, that’s the external narrative. Retcons are not what I was talking about.
I know. But what you were talking about made no sense given the context and text’s history.
If there were internal narrative changes like that in Mark that migrated to Luke or were found in Marcion’s version, there’d be no questioning that an author was having that change take place in their original composition.
But what you have is a brief interpolated reversal of an earlier prohibition attributed to Jesus, a position both canonically and extra-canonically, suddenly inserted out of the blue in the narrative which doesn’t appear in the earlier source where the original prohibition comes from and isn’t even present in the earliest extant version of the story where the reversal is.
It’s not an internal narrative change like Harry Potter becoming a wizard.
“only the new testament counts, the first half of the book is old news”
The quotes I just used were from the New Testament.
That’s the joke, because you’re cherry picking just from the new testament.
Probably one of my favorite bible passages is the one where God sends a couple female bears to murder 42 kids for calling Elisha bald. 2 Kings 2:23-24
Here’s another pretty good one, where God commands Saul to slaughter literally everyone (including children and animals),"3Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. " "9 But Saul and the people spared Agag, and the best of the sheep, and of the oxen, and of the fatlings, and the lambs, and all that was good, and would not utterly destroy them: but every thing that was vile and refuse, that they destroyed utterly. "
So God said he wasn’t king anymore because he didn’t slay absolutely everything and everyone in the city.
“11It repenteth me that I have set up Saul to be king: for he is turned back from following me, and hath not performed my commandments. And it grieved Samuel; and he cried unto the LORD all night.”
Any rational human being should be able to see that murdering “infant and suckling” is abhorrent
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continues using the first half of the book to persecute LGBTQ+ people
it’s cuz no one wants to hear ppl quote the Bible
also those passages are extremely weak prohibitions of child abuse
It’s cuz no one wants to hear ppl quote the Bible
If you want any hope of fighting against these Christians, you need to use their text against them.
Know your enemy.
also those passages are extremely weak prohibitions of child brides
Wasn’t my intention. I wasn’t referring to the original post.
I guarantee you they will not change their mind based on Bible verses. They only use them to support their preconceived notions.
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Reading transfers knowledge and in their handmaid’s tales fantasies
human incubatorswomen don’t need something so distractingAre those all pro-slave states too?
Not WV. They spilt from VA over the civil war.
It was about homosexuality only.
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Because Tim Poole is just as much of an alt-tight sleezebag as the rest of the alt-right conservatives. He’s such a fucking fReEtHiNkEr. Tim Poole can eat all of the bags of dicks. All of them.
Well, we should probably save a couple bags, there’s a lot more shitty people out there. I’ll agree that he can eat MOST of the bags of dicks
Because Republicans don’t like sloppy seconds.
