I think it’s a bit of both, even a single great save can result in a clean sheet. Kobel for time and again has saved our asses so has MATS for barca in last couple of seasons.
Ucl final of 2022 is probably the biggest example of how sometimes it’s the defence, sometimes the keeper single handedly and sometimes a combination of both
There should be another measurement than played games. As you said, a GK with bad players upfront is likely to be more in the middle of the action, hence potentially gets beaten more often.
I would love to have more context available from such stats, like how many shots on target, saves made in general or as others mentioned saved penalties.
Let me turn that thought around: Am I the only one who thinks goals scored are more of an indication of great offensive play rather than great scoring ability?
Let’s say a keeper faces like 10 shots a game and has to save every single one to keep his clean sheet. A striker can bottle 9 chances and just poach in one shot to score.
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Am I the only one who thinks clean sheets are more of an indication of great defensive play rather than great goalkeeping ability?
Case in point Onana last year
I think it’s a bit of both, even a single great save can result in a clean sheet. Kobel for time and again has saved our asses so has MATS for barca in last couple of seasons.
Ucl final of 2022 is probably the biggest example of how sometimes it’s the defence, sometimes the keeper single handedly and sometimes a combination of both
True but Curtois carries that ucl win from the groups to the final, his saves were crazy and impressive
Yeah it really depends on the specific game and the keeper. Some keepers also kind of run the defense and some dont.
My mate is a Liverpool fan and that final still gives him PTSD to this day
I have never been in more disbelief after that final, what a performance by Courtois that day
There should be another measurement than played games. As you said, a GK with bad players upfront is likely to be more in the middle of the action, hence potentially gets beaten more often.
I would love to have more context available from such stats, like how many shots on target, saves made in general or as others mentioned saved penalties.
Let me turn that thought around: Am I the only one who thinks goals scored are more of an indication of great offensive play rather than great scoring ability?
Let’s say a keeper faces like 10 shots a game and has to save every single one to keep his clean sheet. A striker can bottle 9 chances and just poach in one shot to score.