Indigenous leaders who supported the Yes case at last week’s Voice referendum have written to the prime minister saying the No vote was a “shameful victory”.
I did start my first sentence asking what the vote was about. And then the rest of my comment was just my opinion if it meant a certain thing. If it didn’t mean that thing, all I need it a clear explanation of what it did mean.
Welcome to the internet. Jokes aside, they did come in awfully hot on their opinion, with a massive assumption as to what was happening which was horribly wrong. Guarantee this isn’t the first time they’ve done shit like this then tried to blame everyone else for their ignorant bullshit…
You have a point but what are you saying looks to me as same old “white man” chauvinism. “We will desire for you what you are own to others”. Sorry, I treat all people equally, regardless of their race,culture or believes. Please do not force apartheid on me or now mine country.
Many of the reasons they’re “in deep shit already” come back to governments making unilateral decisions for easy media and corporate donor ‘reasons’ - specifically targeting Aboriginal people (as allowed under the constitution) rather than listening to what the communities actually need or want.
Hence the Voice. But now we can keep doing the same old shit, targeting the same old Aboriginal communities, but 60% of the population can keep kidding themselves there’s no victims and they’re absolutely not racists at all, oh no no.
No one says the was not a victims, but these guys are dead as well as one who did wrong to them. Task in hand it not give some better treatment but give all everyone same treatment. Remote communities need help - absolutely - but not because they aboriginal but because they in trouble. And do you really think that if voice passed it would help average aboriginal? Nope, it will harm them tremendously, there is reason why they mostly voted no.
You might treat them equally. That doesn’t mean that the rest of the nation does. We now know 60% of the nation is racist. Which is an improvement on the 77% we had back during the Tampa crisis, I guess. But yeah, we need the voice to give them a fair go, like the rest of us got. You’re an immigrant, and unless you’re white, I guarantee you’ve copped some shit. Stop being so defensive and trying to put down our indigenous population, and instead reach down and help them up to our level. They just want a level playing field, they’re not asking for the world.
It is something twisted logic. “Yes” vote would not help first nation, it will hurt them as now everyone who hate them would have a real reason to do so. And government probably will not miss opportunity to to make them scapegoats.
We do not know percentage. 40% of yes voters are racist by their vote, 60% of NO voters are split between one who do not accept racism and one who do not accept racism which do not benefit them. We do not know how they split.
Why couldn’t you have said this earlier? Then I could have easily judged you as the narrow minded racist that you are. The “yes” vote would most definitely help our first nations people’s, or can you provide a different reason as to why the overwhelming majority of them voted “yes”? Go on, I love seeing idiots struggle… And that brings up another point related to your mindless drivel, are you saying that first nations people are racist towards themselves when they voted “yes”? They are hated because they are different, not because of a potential panel of people that helps the govt make fair and balanced decisions that affect them.
I genuinely despise you right now. You started off being a bit confused, now you are just spewing right wing non truths that are somehow worse than what was printed leading up to the vote. I wish you were never made a citizen here, we have enough prejudiced, close minded people here, we don’t need more… And if you don’t like this being directed at you, think of the first nations people in our country who have had to experience this for centuries. Maybe this will shake your core and give you some compassion. I’m doubtful it will due to your military grade stupidity, but I can still hope.
I’ve countered all your arguments. Your main one seems to be that this was somehow racist when the whole point of it was to counter centuries old, ingrained racism. You are so fundamentally wrong you should be committed. You’re either a die hard racist or dumb as fuck, I honestly can’t tell to the point that I want to study you. Either way, you don’t represent what Australia is supposed to stand for and I suggest you take a long, hard look at yourself if you want to integrate here. Cos if I hear you say this shit in public, I’m gonna call you on it. Not physically, but I will rage and make sure you know exactly how badly the words you say affect people.
No one individual who is still alive have done these things. But they were done in the name of our nation. We all have blood on our hands, even you who is new to this country. You decided to join our nation? Cool, but you have to accept the good with the bad. And this is part of the bad. No-one was trying to institute an apartheid, like you suggested.
This is a very brief description, there is plenty of stuff out there to read about this issue, I suggest you find some and educate yourself on the issue, even if it is too late to do the right thing.
Sorry as soon you start to separate people by their ancestry it is racism, apartheid it just one of the from to act on it. Unfortunately racism is too loaded, so i used milder word.
So, why first nation is inherently different to all other nations which now live in Australia? Why they need special treatment? Been first to arrive ? And it is still not clear to me how you can compensate for suffering to people who already dead? Division is never good, it just gives people chance to hate each other.
How the fuck is apartheid milder than racism? One is hate, the other is actively trying to subjugate the race. They may be linked, but you’re delusional if you think apartheid is the “milder word”.
And we’ve given all the information in this thread, but you either can’t or refuse to understand it. I dunno how you have lived this long on earth and don’t know that first nations people have generally got the shit end of the stick throughout history. Cos who gives a shit if the original people who were wronged are dead, this sort of trauma is encoded in their genes and carried by the following generations. It shits me immensely that you have the same voting power as me, yet you are so incredibly ignorant it’s almost to the point of stupidity.
So than why repeat same mistakes now and wrong other people? Racism is wrong, regardless of intention. As long we do not stop separating people by their ancestry shit will not stop.
BECAUSE THE VOICE WASNT FUCKING RACIST. This panel was proposed to give our first nations people equal footing in decisions that are made that affect them. The very fucking opposite of racism. We weren’t seperating them, we were including them.
Why is it that you’ve so easily swallowed right wing lies but won’t see the truth when it is put in front of you? It makes me sick to think you’re the best your country could send here. We have enough racists, we don’t need more.
So you obviously know nothing about what was proposed if you’re spouting nonsense about MPs and Aboriginals in parliament.
It was an advisory board to give some representative to the people who’s entire country we stole and people we genocided.
There was no discrimination, except from the No voters.
I did start my first sentence asking what the vote was about. And then the rest of my comment was just my opinion if it meant a certain thing. If it didn’t mean that thing, all I need it a clear explanation of what it did mean.
Giving your opinion on something before you’ve even thought about doing some research is part of the problem here
You were awfully opinionated on the topic for an ignorant fuck.
Welcome to the internet. Jokes aside, they did come in awfully hot on their opinion, with a massive assumption as to what was happening which was horribly wrong. Guarantee this isn’t the first time they’ve done shit like this then tried to blame everyone else for their ignorant bullshit…
I’m Australian citizen and did not stole and did not kill anyone. If you did than it is your crime not mine.
Neither yourself or I did.
Australia did.
Hence why the government was not asking for Aboriginal people to have a voice in my household and instead in Australia.
Your personal issues are irrelevant to the conversation at hand.
You have a point but what are you saying looks to me as same old “white man” chauvinism. “We will desire for you what you are own to others”. Sorry, I treat all people equally, regardless of their race,culture or believes. Please do not force apartheid on me or now mine country.
Yawn.
Good thing literally no one was forcing apartheid on you. Go make up something else to feel like a victim.
I have no reason to feel a victim. I just do not want make aboriginals a victims again, many of them are in deep shit already.
Many of the reasons they’re “in deep shit already” come back to governments making unilateral decisions for easy media and corporate donor ‘reasons’ - specifically targeting Aboriginal people (as allowed under the constitution) rather than listening to what the communities actually need or want.
Hence the Voice. But now we can keep doing the same old shit, targeting the same old Aboriginal communities, but 60% of the population can keep kidding themselves there’s no victims and they’re absolutely not racists at all, oh no no.
No one says the was not a victims, but these guys are dead as well as one who did wrong to them. Task in hand it not give some better treatment but give all everyone same treatment. Remote communities need help - absolutely - but not because they aboriginal but because they in trouble. And do you really think that if voice passed it would help average aboriginal? Nope, it will harm them tremendously, there is reason why they mostly voted no.
Aboriginal people mostly voted yes.
https://www.sbs.com.au/nitv/article/the-referendum-for-a-voice-to-parliament-failed-but-what-outcome-did-most-indigenous-voters-support/i2reavyqn
Look mate, you’re just wrong about everything you’ve said so far.
You might treat them equally. That doesn’t mean that the rest of the nation does. We now know 60% of the nation is racist. Which is an improvement on the 77% we had back during the Tampa crisis, I guess. But yeah, we need the voice to give them a fair go, like the rest of us got. You’re an immigrant, and unless you’re white, I guarantee you’ve copped some shit. Stop being so defensive and trying to put down our indigenous population, and instead reach down and help them up to our level. They just want a level playing field, they’re not asking for the world.
It is something twisted logic. “Yes” vote would not help first nation, it will hurt them as now everyone who hate them would have a real reason to do so. And government probably will not miss opportunity to to make them scapegoats.
We do not know percentage. 40% of yes voters are racist by their vote, 60% of NO voters are split between one who do not accept racism and one who do not accept racism which do not benefit them. We do not know how they split.
Why couldn’t you have said this earlier? Then I could have easily judged you as the narrow minded racist that you are. The “yes” vote would most definitely help our first nations people’s, or can you provide a different reason as to why the overwhelming majority of them voted “yes”? Go on, I love seeing idiots struggle… And that brings up another point related to your mindless drivel, are you saying that first nations people are racist towards themselves when they voted “yes”? They are hated because they are different, not because of a potential panel of people that helps the govt make fair and balanced decisions that affect them.
I genuinely despise you right now. You started off being a bit confused, now you are just spewing right wing non truths that are somehow worse than what was printed leading up to the vote. I wish you were never made a citizen here, we have enough prejudiced, close minded people here, we don’t need more… And if you don’t like this being directed at you, think of the first nations people in our country who have had to experience this for centuries. Maybe this will shake your core and give you some compassion. I’m doubtful it will due to your military grade stupidity, but I can still hope.
Sorry, you do not listen to my arguments. And I fail to see what of what I say make me a racist. I always argued for quality of all Australian.
I’ve countered all your arguments. Your main one seems to be that this was somehow racist when the whole point of it was to counter centuries old, ingrained racism. You are so fundamentally wrong you should be committed. You’re either a die hard racist or dumb as fuck, I honestly can’t tell to the point that I want to study you. Either way, you don’t represent what Australia is supposed to stand for and I suggest you take a long, hard look at yourself if you want to integrate here. Cos if I hear you say this shit in public, I’m gonna call you on it. Not physically, but I will rage and make sure you know exactly how badly the words you say affect people.
Tell me you don’t understand the issue without saying it…
Than explain me. How is it different.
No one individual who is still alive have done these things. But they were done in the name of our nation. We all have blood on our hands, even you who is new to this country. You decided to join our nation? Cool, but you have to accept the good with the bad. And this is part of the bad. No-one was trying to institute an apartheid, like you suggested.
This is a very brief description, there is plenty of stuff out there to read about this issue, I suggest you find some and educate yourself on the issue, even if it is too late to do the right thing.
Sorry as soon you start to separate people by their ancestry it is racism, apartheid it just one of the from to act on it. Unfortunately racism is too loaded, so i used milder word.
So, why first nation is inherently different to all other nations which now live in Australia? Why they need special treatment? Been first to arrive ? And it is still not clear to me how you can compensate for suffering to people who already dead? Division is never good, it just gives people chance to hate each other.
How the fuck is apartheid milder than racism? One is hate, the other is actively trying to subjugate the race. They may be linked, but you’re delusional if you think apartheid is the “milder word”.
And we’ve given all the information in this thread, but you either can’t or refuse to understand it. I dunno how you have lived this long on earth and don’t know that first nations people have generally got the shit end of the stick throughout history. Cos who gives a shit if the original people who were wronged are dead, this sort of trauma is encoded in their genes and carried by the following generations. It shits me immensely that you have the same voting power as me, yet you are so incredibly ignorant it’s almost to the point of stupidity.
So than why repeat same mistakes now and wrong other people? Racism is wrong, regardless of intention. As long we do not stop separating people by their ancestry shit will not stop.
BECAUSE THE VOICE WASNT FUCKING RACIST. This panel was proposed to give our first nations people equal footing in decisions that are made that affect them. The very fucking opposite of racism. We weren’t seperating them, we were including them.
Why is it that you’ve so easily swallowed right wing lies but won’t see the truth when it is put in front of you? It makes me sick to think you’re the best your country could send here. We have enough racists, we don’t need more.