• ciko22i3@sopuli.xyz
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    but if some of my friends dont want to work it they can just sell me the land. And if we produce more food than we need we can sell it so we can buy other things we don’t produce. I dont understand why its wrong to own a farm.

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      Substance farming is different than owning a farm that exists by its own production of food and selling those produced goods at market price.

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      Personal property is for personal use. That’s it.

      Once you start to accumulate surplus property then its very obviously not personal anymore. A person that doesn’t want a garden won’t have one to sell you, because they wouldn’t have one in the first place.

      Don’t think in terms of “right” and “wrong”. Think materially.

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          The democratically elected central committee, or some other process whereby everyone decides together what our fair share is.

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        what if their father left them the garden and they want to sell it to me? what if they want to move somewhere else and they decide to sell me their property?

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          Inheritance is antithetical to meritocracy is the basis for generational wealth and capitalist dynasties.

          Everything must go, use it lose it.

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            What even is your motivation to do more than the bare minimum to survive if not to leave it to your children? I would rather take care of my kids future than let some corrupt government do it who will prioritize their children over mine

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              So what are all those people without kids doing?

              Make a better world, build a stronger economy for them excel in and make their own way. I plan on providing the very best for my children to let them go about their life as they see fit and not have to rely on something I might pass down.

              Corrupt governments is a cop out statement too, ideally you wouldn’t stand for government corruption.

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                In the entirety of human history communism has never worked. Not once has any society been able to work on the ideals of it.

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                  It’s impossible to uncouple society from capitalism. It’s not a possibility, but it definitely could work. Maybe capitalism just needs longer than communism to fail?

                  The wealthiest country in the world has unaffordable healthcare and homelessness, how is that capitalism working?

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                  Yeah, because the US bombs them or funds terror cells or blockades their economy.

                  Cold War. Communism was hunted and destroyed whereever it arose.

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                    If communism was so strong it wouldn’t have to worry about capitalist intervention. You just proved my point of communism / socialism being weak if the apparent enemy is easily able to wreck you economy and implode your country it is not a strong system.

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          A person who could actually assemble a farm through small land acquisitions through the power of friendship probably deserves it tbh

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              You’re talking about using your personal connections within the community to slowly assemble a farm from small acquisitions like their deceased father’s garden and then leveraging those connections to find people to help you work the land. People that don’t need to give you their land and don’t need to work your land, they’re actually choosing to do it freely. That’d actually be amazing if it ever happened.

              That basically has zero relation with how farms work under capitalism.

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                  Except they don’t need money, so it’s still a free choice they’re making.

                  When you don’t need money to have a life worth living and all needs are already provided, any choice to work for money is a free one.