What’s with all the downvotes?

Saw a few threads get blasted, and a de-federation post - did I miss the drama?

  • Ohthereyouare@lemm.ee
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    1 year ago

    That, I suppose.

    But, they’re manuputing content, posting propaganda, brigading the votes in every thread.

    Go read their comments, it’s a real classy group.

    Ha, here’s a reply I got from their moderator:

    Go and eat shit fed to you by your US masters as Europe crumbles, you pathetic eunuch.

    https://lemm.ee/comment/898920

    Their most active user also posts “news” and “politics” all over Lemmy, all day, every day.

    • BlinkerFluid@lemmy.one
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      Careful, they’ll shit BRICS if you keep up those kinds of comments. Just need to defederate and move on, leave them with the other idiots like the libertarians and flat earthers.

    • !deleted168346@kbin.social
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      nobody here gives a shit if anything is newsworthy. Or true. Or propaganda. This place is a shit show.

      I mean what did you expect, you came to their place and insulted them.

  • rustyfish@lemmy.world
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    The problem with them is, they act like a cult. You might have heard that term in relation to Trump supporters and yes, they act and speak very similar. You have the same amouth of whataboutism, the same amouth of hypocracy, the same amouth of hate and the same amouth of dishonesty. I fucking hate the bOtH sIdEs argument and the enlightened center, but here we are.

    A couple of weeks ago, a two year old post was brought up on Hot, because…idk Lemmy I guess. This happened all the time in the first weeks after the exodus. In this post OP called the “special operation” in Ukraine a powermove for marxism1) and a all in all good thing. You might think “It has been two years by now, maybe they changed?”. No, I looked into the account and OP immediately made another post, linking his original post and creating a circle jerk for his fellow ghouls. Here you had people celebrating, that now they are the ones with the banhammer while in the same time crying about not having a conversation.

    Afaik, they do this all the time. This post might be up there too. So I blocked every single community and every user I came across in the wild. There aren’t that many, so they are a very small but vocal minority. Nothing of value was lost. Nothing of valule will be lost in the future. Mom told me not to talk to crazy people. Fuck them.

    1) Oh, and if you think that an invasion of a sovereign nation by the worlds most corrupt Kleptocracy is a powermove for marxism, you can eat my socialist ass.

  • Rhin0@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    Privileged, uneducated western kids that spend too much time on social media telling others how the world should look like.

  • SleazyCommunist@lemmy.world
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    Same kind of humorless dolts who inhabit left spaces on reddit and are a uniquely a product of reddit’s culture of total conformity. Leftblr used to make fun of them all the time. Speaking from my own experience, I am a tankie, or at least most would accuse me of being such. But I didn’t pass the Lemmygrad purity test, and they blocked my registration because I said gender is fake and gay on my application (gay used as a pejorative). Not saying I didn’t or deserve a warning but yeesh context matters. Which is my personal experience, but if they are that way toward other communists, they are going to be way harder on perceived liberals so most people don’t like seeing their posts day to day.

    • skulblaka@kbin.social
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      But I didn’t pass the Lemmygrad purity test, and they blocked my registration because I said gender is fake and gay on my application (gay used as a pejorative).

      Wow, I actually have a small bit of respect for them now. Didn’t think that was possible.

      • SleazyCommunist@lemmy.world
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        Tell me you have never interacted with a gay person without telling me you have never interacted with a gay person. I trust gay people to tell me when they are uncomfortable with my choice of phrasing, not faceless CIA agents behind a screen who can claim whatever identity suits them at the time. Sounds like you need to work on some of that ingrained homophobia, my lad, because that specific kind of labeling words of the gay community as bad is extremely common in TERF circles as well. Whole struggle sessions have been had over the word Lesbian as a pejorative, of which I assume you have no knowledge of. Drag queens express their sexuality by saying some of the vilest shit imaginable and they have done more for the LGBTQ community than a bunch MLs pretending they are the vanguard of the revolution because they misunderstood Democratic Centralism is an organization principle during a revolution not just for funsies.

        I could quote Judith Butler’s Gender Trouble on the subject but I won’t since it is beyond the scope of this thread. However, with Don’t Say Gay being popularized with Desantis’s campaign, challenging liberal puritanism is a responsibility of anyone who considers themself left.

  • LChitman@kbin.social
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    Some drama is just down to their politics (authoritarian Marxist Leninist in the main), and some relating to their moderation based on politics (bans for users posting articles critical of China, allegedly). You should be able to search and find recent treads, here is one I still had a tab open from yesterday:

    https://kbin.social/m/til@lemmy.world/t/171975/TIL-lemmy-ml-is-a-pro-authoritarian-CCP-shill-instance

    Another part of this is people’s concerns about whether their politics influences their development of Lemmy.

  • Lols [they/them]@lemm.ee
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    lemmygrad is geared towards radical marxists supportive of china and/or russia

    this means their users (and moderators) come from a far side of the political spectrum and are going to tend towards radicalism and extremism, and that their views tend to align with two hostile dictatorships notorious for their repeated disinterest in citizens rights or basic decency

    all of which makes for a hotbed of toxicity with a modteam that doesnt particularly mind as long as its directed towards non-marxists

  • BrokebackHampton@kbin.social
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    I’m just so done with the topic. I don’t want to engage in lengthy internet debates that benefit no one and only serve to reinforce each person’s initial stance. I have no interest either in debating against or in favor of tankies.

    Although as far as my experience here on lemmy/kbin has been, the people who seem far more interested in making posts (not talking about this one) and constantly bring up the topic are anti-tankies. There seems to be a group of the community here that is fervently anti-tankie, and has to let everyone know at every chance how much they despise tankies and how evil tankies are and so on. These people are the most tiresome by far, at least in my experience, I have yet to come across any of the much dreaded tankie content. Maybe it’s because for some of the people in this group the mere fact (I don’t know how much of a fact is it and I honestly do not care) of the admins of lemmy.ml being tankies is enough to trigger their outrage and anger.

    I will say this, why are any of us placing so much focus (and for some, outrage) on some very niche groups of terminally online leftists, when there’s been a very scary rise of fascism worldwide, especially in Europe and US, that is currently getting worse? I can guarantee you this new wave of fascism enjoys far more popular support than Marxist-Leninists have, or ever have in western countries. Seems like worrying over the mosquito that’s biting your arm while there’s a polar bear mauling the other side of your body. (Before anyone tries the “but tankies support fascism” gotcha, you should know actual Marxist-Leninists outside of these terminally online spaces do not support the current Russian imperial oligarchy, maybe people should also get informed about the concept of critical support, which is still very debatable)

    I wish we had keyword filters on Kbin so I could be done with any and all content regarding the word “tankie”

    Edit: To the very nice people who felt the need, Reddit-style, of just downvoting me without even taking part in the conversation. This goes out to you all: https://youtu.be/8mpeixSXYVU

    • JasSmith@kbin.social
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      I will say this, why are any of us placing so much focus (and for some, outrage) on some very niche groups of terminally online leftists, when there’s a been a very scary rise of fascism worldwide, especially in Europe and US, that is currently getting worse?

      I won’t be playing the game of what-aboutism. Authoritarianism is bad no matter where it appears. It exists on both sides of the political aisle, and it should be rebuked every time, regardless of how prevalent you think it is on your team.

      • BigMcLargeHuge@mstdn.social
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        1 year ago

        @JasSmith @Phyrin @BrokebackHampton

        Can you show me an example of a hard-leftist shoving their ideology down someone else’s throat?

        How about a Hard-Leftist that crafted, then got passed a law that restricts the choices of the hard-right?

        Are there numerous cases of Leftists driving through crowds or maybe shooting up a synagogue, that I’m unaware of?

        I’m not saying the Left is perfect, but I call bullshit on the equivocation of the 2 sides.

    • Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net
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      1 year ago

      How do I upvote you more than once?

      Not only is your argument well thought out, but your observations closley match those I’ve seen.

      I chronically search by all>new, and other than people reposting screenshots (from a month ago) of Grad’s outrage at being de-federated, I have yet to see tankie posts.

      Honestly, I think the two sides (tankie and anti tankie) are both teenager/20s looking at their side with rose coloured glasses.

      Have you heard of our bae communism? Never mind that ugly business in 1970s Cambodia tee hee.

      Have you heard about our bae Fascism? Franco did nothing wrong!