• Shake747@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    1 year ago

    Right, leave it to our very efficient and trustworthy governments to create non restrictive 15 min cities that everyone will enjoy lol. What could go wrong?

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        1 year ago

        I’ll relieve you of this debate so you can return to your regularly scheduled echo chamber time. Sorry to disturb.

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          1 year ago

          I’d be happy to continue to discuss this with you, but please keep your fossil fuel funded conspiracy nonsense out of it.

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            This ideology could be astroturfed fossil fuel propaganda, but electric cars are being mandated in most countries. Fossil fuel corps won’t hold on to a battle they’re already losing.

            The 15 min city “conspiracy theory” comes from people not wanting government over reach, especially since these govs are considering centralized digital currencies. This needs to be addressed.

            Otherwise we’re going to trade one dystopia for another.

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              The 15 minute cities conspiracy theory came from covid deniers who, when it became clear that governments weren’t trying to instate perpetual lockdowns, needed a new thing to latch on to and came up with the idea of “climate lockdowns”.

              The actual 15 minutes cities idea is literally just to have the things you need daily within a 15 minute walk of your home. It’s pretty sensible and not harmful to your mobility at all. But now the guy that came up with the idea gets death threats because of people spreading this bullshit.

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                Most things aren’t created out of malice, like the 15 min city idea. Communism was created in the same light, people trying to come up with a better system.

                If we don’t do these kinds of things very carefully though, it will be exploited. Obviously death threats aren’t the answer, but there is legit cause for concern here

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                    I’m concerned we’ll all be stuffed into little apartments, with “everything we need” in a 500m radius. That’s going to be a disaster if the wrong people get into power. There’s a reason the Canadian Charter of Rights includes “free movement”.

                    Shanghai China is the usual example here.

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              especially since these govs are considering centralized digital currencies.

              what’s that got to do with anything?