My experience is that such relationships usually end badly and quickly. Also sleeping around is not curing being an “incel”. It is just masking the insecurity, lack of maturity and lack of responsible behavior.
However if you meet at a bar and decide to meet for a date later, having alcohol or drugs involved in that date also is a huge red flag. That means the person doing drugs has issues with their emotional regulation. Also especially for women doing drugs with some relatively unknown men is increasing the risk of being date-raped.
If you aren’t a creep, don’t do creepy shit. Involving alcohol and other drugs definitely is worse for everyone involved than being sober.
Okay, you are seriously terminally online. “Let’s grab a drink” is a classic first date. I can go to literally dozens of bars tonight and see tons of people out on first dates over a reasonable amount of alcohol. Like, Jesus fucking Christ you’re off the deep end if you think this constitutes creepy behavior.
That a lot of people have a problem with drinking and drug abuse and we have a toxic drinking culture doesn’t make it a good idea to join in on it.
Many women are victims to sexual violence and domestic violence during their life. While these also happen without alcohol or other drugs, these increase the chance of violence significantly.
If you are serious about the other person, stay sober.
It is only anecdotically but none of the people i know had a club/bar/festival relationship survive. And when they ended, they ended with a lot of drama. One couple i knew briefly that went to parties together all thf time later accused each other of being violent.
Meanwhile the people that met through shared hobbies and friends do quite well, or managed to end their relationships in a respectful manner when things didnt work out.
But i guess not doings drugs and warning of their detriment means i am being “terminally online”. After all, all the cool kids do drugs. And the older they get while doing that, the cooler they get…
This isn’t about people who go out and get hammered 6 nights per week. It’s about normal people doing a very normal thing - grabbing a beer at a bar, or sharing a joint on the back porch, or hell, making out with a stranger at a rave while you are both high on molly. These are normal, run of the mill dates and encounters that normal, responsible adults have all the time.
If you don’t drink, that’s fine. If going on a first date at a bar makes you uncomfortable, that’s also fine. If someone asking you out on a date to a bar causes you to not want to interact with that person even further, once again, totally fine. But if you think it is creepy for normal, average, responsible adults to meet up and grab a beer and maybe make out, then you are bonkers.
My experience is that such relationships usually end badly and quickly. Also sleeping around is not curing being an “incel”. It is just masking the insecurity, lack of maturity and lack of responsible behavior.
However if you meet at a bar and decide to meet for a date later, having alcohol or drugs involved in that date also is a huge red flag. That means the person doing drugs has issues with their emotional regulation. Also especially for women doing drugs with some relatively unknown men is increasing the risk of being date-raped.
If you aren’t a creep, don’t do creepy shit. Involving alcohol and other drugs definitely is worse for everyone involved than being sober.
Okay, you are seriously terminally online. “Let’s grab a drink” is a classic first date. I can go to literally dozens of bars tonight and see tons of people out on first dates over a reasonable amount of alcohol. Like, Jesus fucking Christ you’re off the deep end if you think this constitutes creepy behavior.
That a lot of people have a problem with drinking and drug abuse and we have a toxic drinking culture doesn’t make it a good idea to join in on it.
Many women are victims to sexual violence and domestic violence during their life. While these also happen without alcohol or other drugs, these increase the chance of violence significantly.
If you are serious about the other person, stay sober.
It is only anecdotically but none of the people i know had a club/bar/festival relationship survive. And when they ended, they ended with a lot of drama. One couple i knew briefly that went to parties together all thf time later accused each other of being violent.
Meanwhile the people that met through shared hobbies and friends do quite well, or managed to end their relationships in a respectful manner when things didnt work out.
But i guess not doings drugs and warning of their detriment means i am being “terminally online”. After all, all the cool kids do drugs. And the older they get while doing that, the cooler they get…
This isn’t about people who go out and get hammered 6 nights per week. It’s about normal people doing a very normal thing - grabbing a beer at a bar, or sharing a joint on the back porch, or hell, making out with a stranger at a rave while you are both high on molly. These are normal, run of the mill dates and encounters that normal, responsible adults have all the time.
If you don’t drink, that’s fine. If going on a first date at a bar makes you uncomfortable, that’s also fine. If someone asking you out on a date to a bar causes you to not want to interact with that person even further, once again, totally fine. But if you think it is creepy for normal, average, responsible adults to meet up and grab a beer and maybe make out, then you are bonkers.