You mean the literal socialists on Seattle’s city council or are you talking about Democrat Progressives who get systematically shut out of the party?
Wow, you mean the Party™ goes out with batons and crowbars to make sure that the Progressive Masses™ don’t overwhelm Dem party primaries with their filthy votes!?
The core apparatchiks of the party dislike progressives, and work against them. But the influence of this is not some massive vote suppression effort, but an appeal to the already-extant conservative views of voters - yes, including Dem voters - which make a more hostile PR environment than for moderate candidates. If your response to that is that without that gruesome moderate primary campaigning, we would be raking in the victories, I shudder to consider what exactly you think the GOP will be slinging come the general election.
More than one thing can be true. Hell, most Americans think the Democrats are a left-wing party.
Which should emphasize to you just how absurd the notion that there’s an easy victory waiting in the wings if only we tacked further left. Especially considering even most Dem voters want the party to remain as-is or become more conservative.
While absurd and repulsive, that’s the fucking hand we’re dealing with. And pretending that there’s going to be a Progressive Wave™ if only we punish those damn dirty moderates enough is the same immensely fucked thinking that led to the hopes around Corbyn being brutally dashed by repeated conservative victories in the UK.
Going left IS better for the COUNTRY. But it will not provide the simple solution to electoral victory so fucking many seem to crave.
Yeah, they literally had a cport rule that they had the right to fuck with primaries to make sure an establishment candidate won. Why are you acting like this isn’t a historical fact?
The Democrats didn’t even hold a primary this time because they knew that if they allowed any actual competition then Biden wouldn’t get the nomination.
Keep defending them all you like, I’m not going to forget how they bipartisanshipped us into this situation in the first place.
Yeah, they literally had a cport rule that they had the right to fuck with primaries to make sure an establishment candidate won.
The argument made was that the party had no obligation to remain neutral. While vile, it is literally the scenario I described.
But hey, ignore everything I said and continue existing in a dreamworld where victory is just one left-wing shift away.
The Democrats didn’t even hold a primary this time because they knew that if they allowed any actual competition then Biden wouldn’t get the nomination.
‘Allowed’
Lord.
Keep defending them all you like, I’m not going to forget how they bipartisanshipped us into this situation in the first place.
Sorry that I want to engage with the real world. I understand that’s much less entertaining than fantasy.
Wow, you mean the Party™ goes out with batons and crowbars to make sure that the Progressive Masses™ don’t overwhelm Dem party primaries with their filthy votes!?
The core apparatchiks of the party dislike progressives, and work against them. But the influence of this is not some massive vote suppression effort, but an appeal to the already-extant conservative views of voters - yes, including Dem voters - which make a more hostile PR environment than for moderate candidates. If your response to that is that without that gruesome moderate primary campaigning, we would be raking in the victories, I shudder to consider what exactly you think the GOP will be slinging come the general election.
Which should emphasize to you just how absurd the notion that there’s an easy victory waiting in the wings if only we tacked further left. Especially considering even most Dem voters want the party to remain as-is or become more conservative.
While absurd and repulsive, that’s the fucking hand we’re dealing with. And pretending that there’s going to be a Progressive Wave™ if only we punish those damn dirty moderates enough is the same immensely fucked thinking that led to the hopes around Corbyn being brutally dashed by repeated conservative victories in the UK.
Going left IS better for the COUNTRY. But it will not provide the simple solution to electoral victory so fucking many seem to crave.
Yeah, they literally had a cport rule that they had the right to fuck with primaries to make sure an establishment candidate won. Why are you acting like this isn’t a historical fact?
The Democrats didn’t even hold a primary this time because they knew that if they allowed any actual competition then Biden wouldn’t get the nomination.
Keep defending them all you like, I’m not going to forget how they bipartisanshipped us into this situation in the first place.
The argument made was that the party had no obligation to remain neutral. While vile, it is literally the scenario I described.
But hey, ignore everything I said and continue existing in a dreamworld where victory is just one left-wing shift away.
‘Allowed’
Lord.
Sorry that I want to engage with the real world. I understand that’s much less entertaining than fantasy.