I used to see this on Reddit, I’m disappointed this behaviour is also on Lemmy.
Users collecting mod status on multiple communities, and then using that power to mass-ban a single user from a bunch of communities.
Modlog show how incredibly trigger happy some mods can be. Minor transgressions, deserving to have their comment removed at least, but then banned from unrelated communities as a consequence. This will only get worse as users become supermods.
Edit: It seems this is how an instance ban is reported, by banning from any communities the user has participated in. Then perhaps it isn’t all as bad as it seems.
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This user was banned for being anti-Semitic and telling people to kill themselves. Also, when you’re instance-banned, you automatically get banned from the communities you were active in. The mod didn’t manually ban them from all those communities. When you attempt to post to a community in an instance you’re banned from that you weren’t active in, the instance-ban means the post won’t federate.
Yeah .ml has its issues but this person is a good reason to ban. It’s fair to ban someone this genuinely fucked up.
That’s not the same person. Notice how the order of the community bans don’t match up. Joey just wanted to sound like a hero again.
It’s simple. Don’t criticize China in any community hosted on Lemmy.ml 😂
probably don’t even post or interact with lemmy.ml. strip them of influence by simply disengaging from their squishy power
So the Fediverse equivalent of being banned from /r/Pyongyang?
You have been banned from /r/Pyongyang
Could it be an instance ban?
This. This is how an instance ban shows up, as a series of bans on any community they were active in on that instance.
Ah! Really!? Then that maybe what it is. I went looking through the modlog and kept thinking “again?” over and over as I saw similar entries. Okay, maybe it isn’t as bad?
It’s probably still bad.
In other situations, mass bans sometimes happen because it’s easier. Moderators often use custom scripts they’ve written to ease the administration burden. Personally, I don’t even provide a reason for bans, its just one more field to fill, and for the benefit of someone disruptive or acting in bad faith? Why bother.
Moderators don’t owe anyone anything. If you don’t like a mod, it costs you nothing to spin up another community. Hell, if you do it on another instance, you can even have the same name, and with crosspost merging apparently coming to this corner of fedi, it makes even less difference.
It’s sensible to provide a reason for the bans because the community should be able to know when, why, and how you enforced the power they delegated to you. It isn’t just for the one being banned.
And mods do owe the community something. At the very least: transparency, safety, fairness, and reliability.
What do you mean by, “should?” Why do you think mods owe the community something?
Do admins, who not only put effort but actual money and other personal resources into providing a server, owe something to their mods? Or do WE owe our admins?
If a mod tells someone “don’t say this here”, or “get the fuck out”, their word is law. That’s power. And that power is delegated by the other users, when they join the community, under the condition the mod will use that power to improve the collective space that everyone (not just the e-janny) is building there.
And without users, there’s no community. It’s only when you have a bunch of people there, sharing stuff, connecting, etc. that you can say “yup, this is a community”. Same deal with an instance - without users, it’s just a computer wasting power.
So it’s a give and take. Both sides owe each other, as both are necessary to build the community.
There’s also the matter that all human beings eventually fuck up, sometimes really bad. If that human being is a mod, acting as such, a community needs tools to tell them “you fucked up”. And then decide to either keep trusting the mod or pack their things and emigrate. But for that, you need transparency - and for transparency you need to know why the mod did something.
Regarding money, instance costs should be a collective effort. That’s why so many instances rely on donations.
“Fuck you. I do what I want.” is just childish individualism, the antithesis of any stable community.
Can I have a list of communities you mod so I can avoid them?
It’s lemmy.ml…
Their mods don’t do much, it was likely an admin banning them from everywhere.
It’s incredibly common with .ml, and why people are better off blocking the whole instance
A lot of the small ones are like that. And a lot even use a bot to ban if someone isn’t subscribed. So it’s possible all you did was down ote a brain rot meme and now you’re banned from all those places.
I’m not banned (yet), it was something I saw in the modlog whilst checking something else.
I didn’t realise it was so common. Why are people so awful to one another :(
Lemmy.ml strikes again!
I didn’t even need to read the instance name. Only “Rule 1, 2” was enough to know this was from .ml. The admins there behave pretty much the same as Reddit admins; always fucking enforcing hidden rules. The link Blaze posted should show well enough which is the hidden rule in question.
Note that this is clearly done by the admins, not by some power-tripping mod. For example, one of the communities listed there (SNOOcalypse) has been locked down for a whole year, and the only mod there is my old account. (In fact one of the reasons I locked that comm down was because I wasn’t willing to play along this shit.)
Thanks, didn’t realise it was a historic issue. Only just noticed.
I guess I should expect to be banned from a bunch of communities for even mentioning it. It’s so petty and shows how thin-skinned people can be. Shouldn’t be mods if they can’t perform the role objectively.
lemmy.ml is a trap run by literal communists (who also happen to be the main developers of the lemmy software) it’s basically like the Lion King scene “but what’s that shadowy place?” “oh that’s lemmy.ml, we don’t go there”
But the nice thing about federation is that even thought it’s run by the developers, we don’t have to participate there and they evidently don’t want us “sheep” to participate there either so we can have a mutually beneficial relationship of not having anything to do with one another.
The problem is not being communist (or following Deng Xiaoping), that’s fine. It’s to follow certain Reddit patterns of moderation that you see regardless of the mod being communist or not, such as hidden rules.
And the presence of that specific hidden rule (“don’t criticise the Chinese government here”) there is an open secret. It’s enforced so often that, even in cases like this - where dessalines is actually saying the truth* - people don’t believe it.
*check the modlog, the guy was behaving like a wild monkey.
Hopefully more apps start to support piefed and maybe more instances will make the switch, allowing us to jettison there need for ml’s lemmy development.
If you really want to participate in places just make an account on the top 100 instances and then boom alts for days, follow me on tiktok for more life advice.
Notice how they are .ml comms.
That person was banned for anti-semitism and various other trolling: https://lemmy.ml/modlog?userId=17758269 . And banning from each community is the current hack for how to also do instance bans(fixed already in main)
Creating public modlogs was almost pointless, because people just use screenshots instead of actual modlog links.
I just learnt this in another comment. I didn’t realise instance bans were reported like this.
Re: screenshots – this community rules require censored screenshots.
No probs. It’s always better to link the actual modlog, otherwise you have no idea why someone was banned.
The account you linked is from lazysoci.al but the one in the screenshot is from lemmy.world. It looks like it’s this one https://lemmy.ml/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=3194530
Ah. That person is telling people to kill themselves, so that ban also makes sense.
Good i didn’t join lemmy.ml
its .ml
that means the user either said something not-nice about china or russia
or they implied america isnt 100% bad and has some redeeming features
This has already been explained by others so I’ll ask a question in addendum, when you’re unbanned, are your comments reinstated?
Pretty sure it was because that user said jizz
edit: just to clarify, i meant that it was because of the strict no nsfw rule that is in place, not that i necessarily agree with it
I know which user you’re talking about, however this screenshot was a different user a few hours before. Seems like it happens way more often than I realised.
yeah that’s basically how an instance ban works. since you’re on a differrent instance with different rules, you might not be dealing with the same issues.
you can check out powertrippinbastards for examples of mod power uses that you might not agree with, and if ever you disagree with how your instance handles modding, you can change it.
