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I am trying to defend meaning from people who are willing to distort words to mean anything that matches their current political agenda.
If you had approached this conversation with more authentic curiosity I might have been willing to explain the widely understood difference between moderate liberals and progressives which is important to understand the point I was making. But at this point you don’t seem very genuinely interested in what I’m trying to explain. So I recommend using Google to understand the basic terms here before proceeding.
Ironically, your unquestioned assumption that liberals and conservatives are two mutually exclusive and opposing ideologies rather than adjacent and even overlapping ones is, itself, a product of the tribalist thinking you’ve criticized.
You’re pushing the myth of little-c conservatism, and you’re bad at it. If you genuinely wanted to explain a distinction then you presumably would have done so instead of scoffing that you don’t understand. Like the problem of saying ‘by conservatives I mean liberals!’ is an additional adjective.
You don’t get to condescend to me about argumentum ad webster when I keep specifying tribalists and loyalism and you pretend that’s the same as having an ingroup. You just toss out that “all humans are tribal,” as if that remotely resembles what I’m saying about a specific pattern of behavior, and then you dismiss your own wishy-washy assertion as irrelevant. Zero self-reflection. All attack, no defense.
Meanwhile:
There are clearly people who only view the world through loyalty to hierarchy. That’s overwhelmingly described as conservatism, even when people aren’t fully cognizant of why they’re calling it that. You must acknowledge that’s less of an ask than insisting tankies are right-wing. That one-dimensional horseshoe thinking completely misses how they’re never gonna get along with right-wing conservatives, because those pricks aren’t their ingroup. Nothing else matters, in their worldview.