The tankie try-not-to-be-a-raging-class-reductionist-queerphobe challenge: impossible.

I always got the sense when talking to class reductionist tankies that they were simply thinly veiling their bigotry and the “no war but class war” was just a way they could try to appeal to others while redirecting away from their own abhorrent beliefs. Just another example that tankies aren’t really that different from MAGAts.

They want to bring together the working class of the left and the right but only on the social terms of the right since they know they can’t challenge their bigotry and still win their votes. So instead they want us to shut up about our struggle for rights and only mention what they deem the “correct” struggle.

  • SkyezOpen@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    5 days ago

    My point is that left-right is way too simplistic and the left-right auth-lib chart is a bit more descriptive. Republicans and tankies heavily overlap in terms of authoritarianism (which is why they attack that word so much) which makes them ideologically closer to each other than to lib-left. They still have some lefty ideals which is why I say it’s not a horseshoe.

    However, if people are somehow going so far left that they somehow arrive at transphobia, maybe there’s something to it after all.

    • peregrin5@lemm.eeOPEnglish
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      5 days ago

      Sure. None of the models are perfect (even the 2d chart might be too simplistic: maybe a it’s a 3-dimensional saddle), but if reduced to a particular dimension (like authoritarianism as you mention, or even other aspects like their disdain for the rights of minorities) the horseshoe is blindingly obvious.

      And even if it’s a “not-all-leftists” thing, I think the general response of the non-problematic leftists is to deny this branch of their movement even exists and instead flippantly dismiss the voices of concerned minorities by saying “class reductionists aren’t real and it’s all in your head” and often followed up with (after being shown evidence) “even if they are real, there will be no issues after we solve the class problem, so shut your mouth class traitor”, which is wishful thinking at best and has no basis in any historical evidence.