I commented the following on this post problem is not Netanyahu, it is not Ben Gvir. it is the white supremacist mindset of Israeli public.
This is not new, extremists gain power, they are then making everything they can to stay in power while they slowly turn anyone they can to their side. They use the education system, political systems, laws and the media. Considering that Netanyahu has been in power since 2009 he has literally shaped the political and moral ideology of a significant part of the population. Imagine being 10 yo at 2009, by the time you van vote all you ever knew was Netanyahu. At the end of the day, an adult that is calling for genocide is responsible for their opinions and actions, but this is how a situation where a majority of a country if genocidal happens, with slow, steady and intentional manipulation of the public. Netanyahu and his terrorist goons ARE the problem, but at this point removing them from power is just a small part of the solution. As a kid I always wandered how people can truly think a genocide is a good idea, as an adult I am sad to see that it really is that easy, it really can start with just the wrong people gaining power. And just to be fair, this is very much true about Palestine as well. While the situation is completely different, they too have been under a genocidal and terroristic regime since 2006 and many (probably most) would answer similarly to such a questionnaire about Israelis and Jews. Of course Palestine have had the short end of the stick for all of those years while Israel got to become a developed country. It’s just sad to see how the people in power just fuck everyone around them, no one wins, no one is happy, all you get is death, hate and destruction, and of course the reason for all of this: Money, religion, power.
I don’t know how to check who the mod was but it seems that they are removing plenty of content, some of which seems to be content that just doesn’t support a black and white view of the situation where Palestinians are the only victims and Israelis are all evil (not excusing genocide here)
And the weird thing is that rule one has nothing to do with the comment:
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Sorry but did the people born 20 years ago in Israel (and some of them were against war and pro Palestine) bare any blame for the terrible history that happened before they existed?
Fighting the IDF? Sure, the government? Sure, but the people who had no control over this?
You are part of the problem, you are part of the cycle of hate that has kept wars going for all of human history. Be kind and hate those who are responsible, not those who are unlucky enough to be born there.
This is the language of extermination.
Mine?
You’re the one chastising people for resisting their own extinction. Only fight a little bit you say that way they’re all exterminated without you having to face it. The complete destruction of a people sounds like such an inconvenience for you. Quiet and slow genocide Is so much easier to digest right?
What are you talking about? I am literally just saying that murdering innocent people is wrong. Are telling me that when Hamas shot a friendly dog that was resistance against occupation? That killing children is part of the solution? If you are then you are no better than the other side. No genocide is okay, no killing of innocent is okay. Is that really that hard to accept?
If we strip resistance groups from the right to armed struggle for some attrocities then you would oppose many liberation mouvement in previous colonized countries.
Nat turner killed innocent kids during his revolt. Mandela dnc party was reponisble of some civilian death. There is someone called nana sahib in occupied india who promised safety to both british civilians and soldiers but ended up massacting them
I don’t justify violence but it is important to not ignore history and human nature when they feel desperation and opression .
If you really want things like 7 of october to never happen you should call for end of occupation instead of both siding the oppressed and oppresor
I do call for the end of Occupation, but none of what you said justifies innocents being murdered.
Who are you talking about? You realize that approximately 20-40 minors (if even) were killed on october 7, while the zios have murdered tens of thousands children? Not to mention the men and women… YDI again with your pro-genocide false equivalences.
I never justified the murder of innocents
Do you think palestinians has right to armed resistance? Do some terrorist act by resistance group strip them to title of resistance? Do you think that israel leadership since it’s creation was extremist believe in the idea that thry are the true holder of the land and not palestinians?
Who are you talking about? The invaders are the only ones murdering children. YDI again. You can’t stop.
Yeah? You wanna argue that Hamas didn’t murder children? Are that deep in denial? There are literal videos of it, just like the ones that we see from Gaza right now.
They will be in the Israel Genocides Forces (aka IDF) now --at least jews, and druzes and Circassian men-- masskilling people (except a minority disobeying their apartheit laws).
Okay, those born 15 years ago? Those who didn’t serve? Those who oppose the genocide?
Sure, we should support anyone resisting the genocide. I know some great people who grew up in “israel” and resist genocide, fascism, etc. They’re an extremely small minority and they fled to USA because of being imprisoned, threatened with death, etc. by an overwhelming majority of genocidal fascists.
But that’s not what your comment was about at all. You keep mentioning that here but that’s not what you said. You didn’t say anything at all about israeli resistance.
My point was just that by making these broad accusations you just continue the cycle. Accusing all Israelis of the genocide is like accusing all Palestinians of the 7th. We shouldn’t discount the innocent, even if they are a minority.