Instead of wasting breath on politics yall should get thinking about getting through power outage and filtering water. We looked a lot different in the last one and probably also fighting over the last banana.
Your cynical determinism isn’t useful in this moment, either for agitating people or for encouraging them to look to history for echoes of now even if you are in some ways technically right.
Many things make these times precedented, many more make them unprecedented.
Historians will NOT write of this time of human history “it was largely unremarkable and left no more permanent violence on our futures than any other generation of people have done.”
It’s not cynicism. Farthest thing from. If anything it is positivity. Noting the clear parallels to Nazi Germany. it is important that people acknowledge them. And stop waiting to see what’s going to happen.
Even more importantly. Is to not feel how the fascists want you to feel. Hopeless and despondent.
I never said historians would gloss over it or write it off. They write over the smallest minutiae in the greatest detail. And while they’re doing that they will point out this similarity to events that have happened before. The sooner we recognize this for what it is. The sooner maybe we can alter course.
I think what we disagree on is the mindset and language that is required to grapple with a historically precedented crisis that is fueled by the unprecedented power of humans to annihilate our home and future that we certainly have never had.
I’m offering you perspective from a generation that came before. I grew up during the cold war. When they all taught us to death and cover under our flimsy school desks to deflect a nuclear blast. In just a decade or two we will be reaching the centennial anniversary of man achieving the power to wipe out nearly all life on Earth. This all feels pretty prescidented.
The petty squabbling of bitter old men, the hanging sword of Damocles, and automated systems threatening to bring it all down on top of us . It’s all so familiar and well discussed. I’m certainly not saying that things aren’t serious or daunting. They are. But I’m not sure that they are unprecedented. Honestly it’s the fact this is all so well precidented that should demand more people’s action. And not just sitting and waiting.
In just a decade or two we will be reaching the centennial anniversary of man achieving the power to wipe out nearly all life on Earth. This all feels pretty prescidented.
Nuclear war is mild and temporary relative to what is now being done to the earth. Energy imbalances in the ocean are described in thousands and thousands of Hiroshima bombs, you are devastatingly incorrect in your understanding of how profoundly fucked up the process we have witnessed the opening act of is.
In a press release, researchers explained that for the last year the upper 2,000 meters in all oceans absorbed 14 more zettajoules, a unit of electrical energy, than in 2020. That’s equivalent to 145 times the amount of electricity generated in the world in 2020…
… John Abraham, professor of thermal sciences at the University of St. Thomas and one of the co-authors of the new study, published an opinion piece in The Guardian that said the heat absorbed by the oceans last year was equivalent to seven Hiroshima atomic bombs detonating each second, 24 hours a day for 365 days a year.
“If you want to know how fast climate change is happening, the answer is in the oceans,” said Abraham
^that is not precedented and Geologists have been trying to say as much for 30 years or so and been shunned in favor of people going on and on about fears of communism or something
I have the uneasy feeling that none of the wars we could have ever fought would have had as thoroughly denied our children a future as this “peace” we have arrived at. WW3 at this point would be people railing futiley against a fate that is already sealed for most of us, it would/will be more precisely described as a contortion of present and future violence than an eruption of it per say.
Literally we aren’t. We are repeating history.
Yeah, repeating the 5 previous mass extinctions.
Instead of wasting breath on politics yall should get thinking about getting through power outage and filtering water. We looked a lot different in the last one and probably also fighting over the last banana.
Your cynical determinism isn’t useful in this moment, either for agitating people or for encouraging them to look to history for echoes of now even if you are in some ways technically right.
Many things make these times precedented, many more make them unprecedented.
Historians will NOT write of this time of human history “it was largely unremarkable and left no more permanent violence on our futures than any other generation of people have done.”
It’s not cynicism. Farthest thing from. If anything it is positivity. Noting the clear parallels to Nazi Germany. it is important that people acknowledge them. And stop waiting to see what’s going to happen.
Even more importantly. Is to not feel how the fascists want you to feel. Hopeless and despondent.
I never said historians would gloss over it or write it off. They write over the smallest minutiae in the greatest detail. And while they’re doing that they will point out this similarity to events that have happened before. The sooner we recognize this for what it is. The sooner maybe we can alter course.
I think what we disagree on is the mindset and language that is required to grapple with a historically precedented crisis that is fueled by the unprecedented power of humans to annihilate our home and future that we certainly have never had.
I’m offering you perspective from a generation that came before. I grew up during the cold war. When they all taught us to death and cover under our flimsy school desks to deflect a nuclear blast. In just a decade or two we will be reaching the centennial anniversary of man achieving the power to wipe out nearly all life on Earth. This all feels pretty prescidented.
The petty squabbling of bitter old men, the hanging sword of Damocles, and automated systems threatening to bring it all down on top of us . It’s all so familiar and well discussed. I’m certainly not saying that things aren’t serious or daunting. They are. But I’m not sure that they are unprecedented. Honestly it’s the fact this is all so well precidented that should demand more people’s action. And not just sitting and waiting.
Nuclear war is mild and temporary relative to what is now being done to the earth. Energy imbalances in the ocean are described in thousands and thousands of Hiroshima bombs, you are devastatingly incorrect in your understanding of how profoundly fucked up the process we have witnessed the opening act of is.
https://thehill.com/changing-america/sustainability/climate-change/589187-oceans-absorbed-heat-equivalent-to-7-hiroshima/amp/
https://climatereanalyzer.org/clim/sst_daily/
^that is not precedented and Geologists have been trying to say as much for 30 years or so and been shunned in favor of people going on and on about fears of communism or something
I have the uneasy feeling that none of the wars we could have ever fought would have had as thoroughly denied our children a future as this “peace” we have arrived at. WW3 at this point would be people railing futiley against a fate that is already sealed for most of us, it would/will be more precisely described as a contortion of present and future violence than an eruption of it per say.