Punching down by portraying people you theoretically want on your side as villains is not a winning strategy for anyone left of centre. Dividing people only helps the right, no matter who is doing it. I don’t even think ordinary folks who’ve been conned into believing (Maple) MAGA-esque propaganda should automatically be bashed in every case-- just persons in positions of significant power. The priority should always be to seek opportunities to genuinely win folks over.
Yeah no. You’re trying to make a simple question a more complex debate than it ever was. Either you voted for Kamala or you didn’t. You can have lofty opinions and idealistic aspirations, but that isn’t how the US electoral system works. If you didn’t vote for Kamala then you have a part of the responsibility for the current state of affairs.
If the US had a different system of government then you might have a point, but within the system we have you had a choice. If you didn’t make the right choice then you’re part of the problem. This statement isn’t specific to you, it’s to everyone who had this choice.
Part of the US system, whether you like it or not, is playing the game. Even Bernie Sanders played the game when he ran for office. The only fools are the people who think they can ignore the game, play stupid games, win stupid prizes, and still act like they aren’t part of the problem.
In a stacked game the only winning move is not to play.
Biden and Harris were in power between 2021 and 2024. They chose to maintain the conditions for Trump to strive again. If it wasn’t Trump 2025, then it would have been Trump or another fascist like Trump in 2029. And you would have seen the same rhetorics of “we need to look past and heal”. “economy is doing great”. “This is the all deciding election, but God forbid you expect us to then provide actual progressive policies or candidates”. “We need to reach out to the middle. Oh look we have Dick Cheney wiling to support us. Doesn’t matter he is one of the worst war criminals of the 21. Century. After all we made sure to be at least on par with him in the war crime department.”
You fall into the trap again that you blame the voters for not putting up with the “lesser of two evils”, instead of focusing on the evil that presents two sides of the same coin at every election. Why do you think Schumer and Fetterman and many other Democrats work together with Trumps administration. Because they actually like his policies. They like what he is doing to the country. They like it that he does the dirty work for them and when Democrats come to power again they can keep the new low as status quo. They did this under Biden already with the Wall, Deportations and violent crack downs on peaceful protestors. Obama did this already with running the torture camp in Guantanamo Bay and mass murdering brown people from drones all over the world.
There is no reforming the system from the inside. You have to dismantle it and rebuild it. And in the rebuild there can be no space for almost every of the current US politicians with a ® or (D) next to their names. They are part of the problem and they oppose being part of the solution
Bullshit. The last election and the next election may be separate things. You might support the right group in the next election, but that doesn’t mean you didn’t fuck up in the last election. Either you voted for Kamala in the last election or you didn’t and as a consequence of that you led to the problem we are currently in.
You have the opportunity to vote against this problem next time, if there is a next time, but that doesn’t absolve you from your past mistakes. Don’t be a child and hide from past mistakes, admit them and change, don’t pretend they weren’t mistakes.
This discussion is about owning mistakes, not forgiving them. I’m happy to forgive someone for making a mistake, but before forgiveness comes repentance.
The previous post I responded to said that we shouldn’t be “Punching down by portraying people you theoretically want on your side as villains.” Well at some point those people need to take responsibility for their own actions rather than pretending they didn’t have a part to play.
Maybe when Medicare and Social Security are gone, nonviolent immigrants are in a prison in El Salvador, and trans people are arrested for taking a piss you might start to change your opinion about the last election.
Punching down by portraying people you theoretically want on your side as villains is not a winning strategy for anyone left of centre. Dividing people only helps the right, no matter who is doing it. I don’t even think ordinary folks who’ve been conned into believing (Maple) MAGA-esque propaganda should automatically be bashed in every case-- just persons in positions of significant power. The priority should always be to seek opportunities to genuinely win folks over.
Yeah no. You’re trying to make a simple question a more complex debate than it ever was. Either you voted for Kamala or you didn’t. You can have lofty opinions and idealistic aspirations, but that isn’t how the US electoral system works. If you didn’t vote for Kamala then you have a part of the responsibility for the current state of affairs.
If the US had a different system of government then you might have a point, but within the system we have you had a choice. If you didn’t make the right choice then you’re part of the problem. This statement isn’t specific to you, it’s to everyone who had this choice.
Part of the US system, whether you like it or not, is playing the game. Even Bernie Sanders played the game when he ran for office. The only fools are the people who think they can ignore the game, play stupid games, win stupid prizes, and still act like they aren’t part of the problem.
If you voted for a candidate when both candidate supported genocide, you’re a scum and i wish i could spit on your stupid face
You call it realism to flatter yourself, but in reality it’s cowardice and compromission.
In a stacked game the only winning move is not to play.
Biden and Harris were in power between 2021 and 2024. They chose to maintain the conditions for Trump to strive again. If it wasn’t Trump 2025, then it would have been Trump or another fascist like Trump in 2029. And you would have seen the same rhetorics of “we need to look past and heal”. “economy is doing great”. “This is the all deciding election, but God forbid you expect us to then provide actual progressive policies or candidates”. “We need to reach out to the middle. Oh look we have Dick Cheney wiling to support us. Doesn’t matter he is one of the worst war criminals of the 21. Century. After all we made sure to be at least on par with him in the war crime department.”
You fall into the trap again that you blame the voters for not putting up with the “lesser of two evils”, instead of focusing on the evil that presents two sides of the same coin at every election. Why do you think Schumer and Fetterman and many other Democrats work together with Trumps administration. Because they actually like his policies. They like what he is doing to the country. They like it that he does the dirty work for them and when Democrats come to power again they can keep the new low as status quo. They did this under Biden already with the Wall, Deportations and violent crack downs on peaceful protestors. Obama did this already with running the torture camp in Guantanamo Bay and mass murdering brown people from drones all over the world.
There is no reforming the system from the inside. You have to dismantle it and rebuild it. And in the rebuild there can be no space for almost every of the current US politicians with a ® or (D) next to their names. They are part of the problem and they oppose being part of the solution
Yeah no. Our goal is not to win the last election.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_United_States_elections
It’s useful to understand what happened and why, but our focus had to be on what to do now.
Bullshit. The last election and the next election may be separate things. You might support the right group in the next election, but that doesn’t mean you didn’t fuck up in the last election. Either you voted for Kamala in the last election or you didn’t and as a consequence of that you led to the problem we are currently in.
You have the opportunity to vote against this problem next time, if there is a next time, but that doesn’t absolve you from your past mistakes. Don’t be a child and hide from past mistakes, admit them and change, don’t pretend they weren’t mistakes.
This discussion is about owning mistakes, not forgiving them. I’m happy to forgive someone for making a mistake, but before forgiveness comes repentance.
The previous post I responded to said that we shouldn’t be “Punching down by portraying people you theoretically want on your side as villains.” Well at some point those people need to take responsibility for their own actions rather than pretending they didn’t have a part to play.
Maybe when Medicare and Social Security are gone, nonviolent immigrants are in a prison in El Salvador, and trans people are arrested for taking a piss you might start to change your opinion about the last election.
I see the BlueMAGA outreach is already working hard on losing the next election