• HighFructoseLowStand@lemm.ee
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    16 hours ago

    Dems would never lose another election if they went only as far left as Bernie Sanders

    lol

    About half of America thought Kamala was too far left. The idea that Americans are secretly socialists just waiting for a real leftist candidate and are willing to tolerate progressively more fascistic politicians in the mean time is simply ridiculous and without any basis in reality.

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      15 hours ago

      Not at all. She went too far right and a lot of people stayed home. Cuz one republican is as good as another. They both fuckin suck at literally everything. Except fucking up the economy. Republicans are great at that.

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        15 hours ago

        She promised to institute a tax on unrealized gains.

        What constitutes “far right?”

        Trump has concentration camps. Biden didn’t. One assumes Kamala wouldn’t. If you don’t see a difference, it speaks to how privileged you are.

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          15 hours ago

          Trump has concentration camps. Biden didn’t

          Uh… The ICE haven’t been created out of thin air in January… You just ignored them before because it was a democrat in the adminstration.

          What constitutes “far right?”

          Funding genocide in Palestine, running the ICE and deporting more immigrants than trump did in 2016 (look it up), maintaining the military industrial complex, increasing rates of homelessness and prices of healthcare and rent and tuition…

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            14 hours ago

            Under Biden ICE wasn’t sending people to extraterritorial prisons without due process.

            So, the existence of Ukraine, homelessness and high prices equal “Nazi?”

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              Under Biden ICE wasn’t sending people to extraterritorial prisons without due process.

              No, only Guantanamo operated that way. ICE was still a concentration camp though. Really grasping at straws aren’t we?

              So, the existence of Ukraine, homelessness and high prices equal “Nazi?”

              Maintaining Nazi policy of genocide in Gaza (failed to mention that one I see), and of economic and police violence (1 in 4 black males above 30 years old have been through the prison system in the US) is Nazi, yes.

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                14 hours ago

                Have you ever considered the total failure of any politicians you support might have to do with your hyperbole?

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          What is your definition of “concentration camps”?

          Migrant detention centers and prisons were a focus within the “build back better” set of legislature and the ICE raids and campus crackdowns I’m assuming you are referencing are a continuation of the Biden administration’s crackdown from well over a year ago.

          If you’re just referencing Guantanamo bay as a migrant detention center then every president since 1974 has been guilty of concentration camps.

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              By that definition the Nazi death camps weren’t concentration camps, nor is anything Trump or Biden having done “concentration camps”.

              A 5 minute hearing within a detention center does allow for an appeal, and is used by those with enough wealth/privilege/etc. However I suspect that isn’t what you meant, can you expand on that definition?

              Edit: I realized there was also another interpretation which is that all jails, detention centers, police vehicles, etc. are concentration camps.

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        15 hours ago

        And do you have any actual reason I should believe that?

        “Well, lots of people would have voted for her if she put on a keffiyeh and sang l’Internationale.”

        Why should I believe that? There is just no basis to believe there is some secret American socialist majority.

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          14 hours ago

          Wouldn’t call it a majority. But it’s a bloc that dems cannot win without. That bloc has also been lied to for literally our entire lives. Grown jaded. And won’t vote for empty promises anymore.

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      Historically a lot of R voters would’ve considered voting D if they’d just stop trying to disarm the working class, but D leadership more and more seems to be the party of, “we know what’s best for you” elitism. But the open border policies really hurt D’s popularity. R voters don’t consider themselves racist or anti-inmigration, they just want affordable housing and instead of blaming late stage capitalism, they blame policies that lured over ten million refugees in one presidential term.