• AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com
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    9 hours ago

    instead used gulags as methods to develop

    Sorry, but that’s already been disproven. The gulag system at its peak had fewer people imprisoned than the US currently does. And at its peak, it represented less than 5% of the total production of the country. This lasted for a total of less than 5 years between late 30s and early 40s. The Soviet Union simply factually did NOT develop with forced labor, and saying otherwise is just proof of ignorance (or willful deception). For further details on this, feel free to check up the data on the book “Farm to Factory” by Robert C. Allen. Really not escaping the “swallowing the State Department propaganda” accusations.

    The nature of authoritarian rule essentially purged any opposing socialist whether in majority or minority

    “The CPSU purged every opposition. That’s why immediately after his death, the opposite faction which was within the party proceeded to do de-Stalinization instead of continuing with the prior tendency that was solidified in the party”. New documents released these past few years regarding the Moscow trials prove that there WAS a trotskyist/anarchist/SR/fascist/kulak plot to murder Stalin and to eliminate socialism, there’s extensive, sourced discussion in the ongoing series of podcast episodes “the Stalin eras” in the podcast “Proles Pod”.

    Tankie is when they say ‘good enough’ as essentially ruin their own revolution

    If you use US State Department as your source of information for the living conditions of the country, then yes.

    If you use actual metrics such as union membership rates, life expectancy, literacy rates, rates of high education, women in the workplace, crime statistics, poverty rates, inequality rates, industrialisation rates, lack of imperialism and unequal exchange, consumption of art and literature, collective sport activities, access to housing, access to healthcare, retirement age, working conditions, and a myriad more; and actually compare with historically similar countries in the region (Kazakhstan + Uzbekistan vs Afghanistan + Pakistan; Cuba vs Haiti; China vs Indonesia; Russia vs Argentina in the sense that they had very similar levels of development pre-revolution), you may find out that actually-existing socialism is extremely beneficial both for its inhabitants and for the global south.

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      8 hours ago

      Thanks. It’s exhausting having to debunk all of the lies from the red scare over and over and over again.

      Prison Labor camps in 2025 with the largest prison population on the planet: “normal”

      Gulags over half a century ago that ended long before Jim Craw laws did: “Ah, that’s a scary sounding name!”