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According to our Government this is WORSE then Shooting up an Elementary School!
If I was insuring Tesla or their showrooms in any way, I would see to get rid of this contract as fast as possible.
I wouldn’t. That would be covered under the force majeure clause, so no need to pay anything to Tesla, but you can increase premiums by a lot and earn crap loads doing absolutely nothing.
This guy insurances.
The potential side effects of ketamine include dissociative experiences that may lead to confusion or impaired motor coordination, cognitive disturbances, and, with repeated misuse, the risk of developing a substance use disorder.
Also, one that we surely don’t talk about much, being hated by the general population. That might be correlation instead of causation though.
and he also regularly drowns his depression away with ALCOHOL, and hypes up with cocaine.
It’s a shame that lithium fires are hella toxic. Is love to grill up some hot dogs.
…and of course the local police will protect the fucking Nazi owned dealerships.
That’s a lot of coverage they know they probably shouldn’t cover…
I’d say that’s a bad day to be near a Tesla dealership.
Burn it to the mother fucking ground. The line must go down.
I’m worried about the next Rittenhouse. Stay safe out there and watch out for the “good guy with a gun”
I love when someone brings up Rittenhouse because I dated someone who went to high school with him, so I know quite a bit about him.
Turns out all of the signs were there and his mom encouraged that type of stuff :)
They’re often are signs. I was at school with someone that ended up being a murderer. He was a super weird kid, his father wasn’t around and his mother was an alcoholic so he never really had a great upbringing, schools response to all this was to get him suspended whenever he acted up.
I’m sick of worrying about being killed over my freedom of speech in this so called free country and I think I’d rather die by calling out some fascist than cancer or living under tyranny anyways.
None of you are immortal so figure it the fuck out.
Where can a civilian get a good bulletproof vest?
In the US I’m pretty sure you can just buy them online.
Do John wick style bullet proof suits actually exist (and work)?
Short answer : No
Long answer : Bullet proof is a misnomer, everything, even the air, will eventually stop a bullet. You can get a suit with ballistic fiber which will work against small and slow calibers. Keep in mind that the damage a bullet does is more than just perforating your clothing. Body armor has a rating system telling you what kind of rounds it can mitigate, although most rifle rounds require some sort of rigid plate to prevent penetration and also dissipate the impact over a large surface area. A thin, flexible bullet resistant suit or jacket is not going to do either of those things very well.
You mean the ones that completely negate impact damage? I think those would violate physics.
You are supposed to be able to get flexible bulletproof armor that isn’t made of Kevlar but some kind of non-Newtonian gel, but I don’t know how good it is.
They sell plate carriers at my local gun store.
Lol all over
Are you American??? Or a spy?
You can counter a rittenhouse with a second amendment.
Don’t physically assault anyone and you’ll be okay.
Damn those school kids must have been rowdier than I thought.
What school kids? Do you not know who Rittenhouse is?
There have also been an uptick in incidents of arson, vandalism, and violence against Tesla showrooms that, while unrelated to the protests, have led to Musk and President Donald Trump labeling them “domestic terrorism."
It’s perfectly reasonable to think that at least some of these could be false flag opperations orchestrated by the Trump administration to give them cover to arrest innocent people and eventually declare martial law. The more that possibility is part of the mainstream conversation, the more wind it takes out of their sails towards accomplishing those goals.
Imagine invoking Martian law (pun intended, because of the Alien act) due to someone bullying a billionaire by burning their cars.
nothing stopping them now, its just merely propaganda for the republican voters consumption. they dont need an excuse to do it.
Very accommodating terrorists. I don’t think setting fire to things can be considered an act of terrorism. At worst it’s arson.
It’s not like anyone’s even been injured.
I wish the stock price would just collapse already along with organic consumer demand for the cars themselves evaporating into nothing so it could whither and die a natural death.
As much as I hate Musk, I’m not a fan of seeing property damaged. Not because I love the property, but because it’s too easy to leverage it as terrorism by a regime that has a hard-on for labeling anything it doesn’t like as such. Consumer collapse and bankruptcy would be beautiful to behold.
Damaging property is not terrorism. This is so tired.
I have a feeling, even if the World Trade Center had been completely depopulated on the morning of September 11th and the hijacked aircraft only had jihadists aboard, the event would have probably still been declared an act of terrorism.
The determination of what constitutes terrorism isn’t for us normies to make. The people in power get to have that particular privilege, regardless of what we feel.
Peeaonally, I think terrorism requires a certain scale of either malice or destruction. Flying jetliners into an empty icon of the country? Definitely terrorism. Crashing a little Cessna into a National Forest? Probably not terrorism.
It has to be organized for one. One random person going out and doing something regardless of what they do, isn’t terrorism domestic or otherwise.
And it doesn’t matter, Pam bondy isn’t really charging anyone under the domestic terrorism act. She’s charging folks for malicious destruction of government property. And the reason she can charge them this way, is because Tesla receives financial assistance from the federal government. So this puts them under a clause in the law that allows the Pam to charge them as though they had set fire to Air Force One or something similar.
All of the domestic terrorism stuff, that’s just political propaganda. It doesn’t actually reflect what she is charging people with.
It has to be organized for one.
I disagree. Consider racist mass shootings by lone perpetrators. It’s clearly an act attempting to incite terror and tension, many of them make it clear in their manifestos that they’re trying to spark a ‘race war’. But it’s not organized, beyond being the result of stochastic terrorism.
I meant the legal definition. But I apparently misread it the other day when I was looking at it.
That’s reasonable.
The definition of terrorism usually runs along the lines of, engaging in acts to cause fear for the purpose of achieving political goals. So, stalking someone isn’t terrorism, but sending pictures of a politician in various locations with crosshairs drawn on them saying you will follow through unless/if they do x would be.
Now, the question becomes, are these arsonists setting fire to Tesla vehicles and showrooms because they want Musk to stop his political antics or because Musk is a giant asshole? I honestly think you could get reasonable doubt on that, provided you actually had a fair trial and weren’t dropped in a deep, dark hole somewhere.
I don’t like damage to property cause I’m scared of my tyrannical government
lol ok, bet doing nothing will work. Maybe try appeasement?
Pretty sure property damage is one of the options to attack a tyrannical government. Assassinations too. At least its options people have used, not sure exactly how effective it was but the nazis lost in the end.
I’m having trouble thinking of an example where a tyrant dictator was assassinated and displaced by a democratic leader and not just another dictator. I don’t think Hitler is a great example. Maybe Hussein? I’m apologetically ignorant on the current state of Iraq’s political system.
Democratic norms seem to be more successfully implemented when a ruler is facing bankruptcy and has no easy source of funds (e.g. natural resource extraction, sponsorship from foreign sources), and therefore has no other option but to expand freedoms and public goods to empower citizens to be more educated to work more profitably (and be reliable tax payers). A fairly recent example is the shift Jerry John Rawlings performed in Ghana in the 90s, which is explained succinctly in The Dictator’s Handbook (Bueno de Mesquita and Smith).
A general strike could be an effective means to force the hand of a ruler dependent on national productivity to keep his coalition’s insiders/influentials happy enough to retain their support.
Strategic dissent is what matters. I doubt things would have been improved if targeted groups in Germany had violently rioted and smashed Mercedes, Benzs, and Volkswagens (or whatever the main rides were at the time). I mean, the Reichstag Fire was the perfect excuse to accelerate the tyranny (and it was probably an inside job!). Just the same, smashing cars probably won’t endear the generally-docile public to the cause. I would say most people (i.e. the support force necessary for widespread change) don’t want to be associated with violence. It might win some over, but it’ll polarize others, exacerbating the situation and possibly creating Rittenhouse militias to evolve into gestapos.
Sure, once the ruling evil exists in earnest and the rule of law is declared fully dead, clandestine resistance saboteurs may be necessary, but they’ll aim for strategic targets with a high gain of hurt laid upon the tyrannical regime. They won’t expose themselves to frivolous targets like individual electric cars. If anything, they’ll target infrastructure and try to make it look like government incompetence to incite people against those in power.
This gray time is confusing and scary, by design. Extreme action just probably won’t elicit the desired effect right now. Figuring out a way to inceptually make The People attribute their various pains and grievances to the actions and personalities in power should be the goal.
Just the same, smashing cars probably won’t endear the generally-docile public to the cause. I would say most people (i.e. the support force necessary for widespread change) don’t want to be associated with violence.
Which is why we should be considering the real possibility that these are false flag attacks. Want to turn the general populace against peaceful protesters? Engineer false flag attacks that make the protesters appear violent. Now you can arrest peaceful protesters and the general populace will turn and look the other way.
Maybe we can all give Trump all our money and he’ll just go away! Yay!
I love this. I love this so much.
Drill, baby, drillBurn, baby, burn
This is such an odd attitude for him as well because oil extraction is expensive and slow. By the time he starts to see any profit from this his term is almost going to be up. But then again I suppose he is an idiot.
There are lots of Tesla protests going on every weekend. See https://actionnetwork.org/event_campaigns/teslatakedown to find one near you.
Also see https://www.mobilize.us/indivisible/ for even more (not necessarily Tesla specific) protests going on all over the place all the time.
Participate in what you can.
Already planning on it 😎
Tesla must love that they have so many professional testers
I’m curious if anyone knows if cars, especially electric cars, are vulnerable to EMPs?
While I think the legality for such a device is a gray area one strong enough to damage or stop a car could kill or injure anyone around with a cardiac device or other electronic medical equipment.
just interference, but you need a nuke to initiate an EMP effectively. i think some ev cars were susceptible to other forms of interference.
Disclaimer - not an electromagnetic scientist wizard
My understanding is that EMPs are more of a concern for the tiny electronics on computers versus relatively large motors or batteries. So, an electric vehicle is still at risk, but I don’t think it’d be any more at risk than any ICE car that’s all computerized anyways.
“Everything’s computer”
With all the touch screens and computer controlled door handles I wouldn‘t bet on a Tesla in this showdown.
thats one of the many downsides of making everything computer
It would probably mess up the controlling computer though.
Occasionally cars get hit by lightning and that usually causes a lot of errors and glitches and sometimes it totally writes off the vehicle.
From what I understand, the vulnerability of a chip has to do with the operating voltage of the chip. As chips have become smaller, and more efficient, they have also become less vulnerable to EMP. Higher voltage components are more vulnerable, like the motors, but I don’t think you are going to get a man-portable device that will damage them. Maybe one that would fit in a vehicle, but you would have to be very close (inverse square law) and you would have to find a way to not fry your own vehicle.
Not a chip designer, nor an electrician, if anyone with more credibility wants to jump in here, please do.
Nuke type EMPs are a threat to very long wires, like miles long ones used to transmit power. The blast causes a ripple in the earths magnetic field that induces current over huge distances. But I don’t know what a more handheld device would affect.
Got it, so it’s best to use a nuke just to be safe.
Electric motors work by inducing a magnetic field with coils of wire, so I’m sure a strong enough EMP would disrupt it temporarily, but I don’t know if it would meaningfully damage anything after the EMP ceased.
They’re made specifically to deal with high electromagnetic flux, so it definitely wouldn’t hurt them long term. Best bet would be something higher frequency to mess with the computers.
All cars with computers are vulnerable
So like 95-99% of cars registered in a developed economy.
Sounds about right, yeah.
https://www.ijnrd.org/papers/IJNRD2305791.pdf
Build one and report back. 🤷
Hmmm. Well, I do love taking apart old microwaves…
In all seriousness microwaves are the #1 leading cause of death for hobby electronics people, be careful around them and know what you’re doing before you open it.
I didn’t realize they were the #1 killer. Most of them via electrocution of the HV capacitor, I would imagine?
15ish years ago I got lucky and didn’t kill myself on the first one I ever cracked open. I managed to become marginally more intelligent and after poking around in it decided it’d be smart to research the art of microwave dismantling, which led to a minor anxiety attack and cold sweats when I realized how stupid I had been.
Yep. That HV capacitor will turn you into orbital bacon with a quickness, and it keeps a charge for way longer than you’d ever think was realistic. In the same vein as “assume every gun is loaded”, also assume every capacitor is charged.
I think I even read it can gradually spontaneously self-charge if left alone long enough with the terminals insulated from each other. I don’t know if that’s actually true (it would seem to be a sort of Maxwell’s Daemon at that point), but yeah, best to not take chances.
They do charge over time when terminals are not shorted, but it’s not like they go from discharged to spontaneously fully charged in seconds. It’s a slow creep that happens over an extended time period.
Same with old televisions and that flyback transformer. 😬
Hahaha, funny you mention that. I was this close to trying to open an old CRT set many years ago when that little voice in my head said, hey, maybe look up what happens when you do that. I decided I didn’t need to go through with it.
That being said, DLP sets are my absolute favorite to dig into. So many awesome optical components, mirrors, and cooling fans inside. I didn’t find anything that seemed too dangerous, either.
It’s quite dangerous, the magnetron can kill very easily. There’s this youtuber called styropyro who’s done some really cool stuff with them though
He’s a treasure. The inside of a microwave is insane in its casual dangers. Like that HV capacitor, or, more insidiously, the beryllium insulator that can cause berrylliosis if broken and inhaled.
Sounds like you don’t even have to do anything to make it dangerous. Heck, let’s just chuck broken microwaves at the Teslas.
Technically yes, but practically no.
For cars, you’re gonna need something a bit bigger. Large coil, capacitor bank to generate a static field and some high explosives to disrupt that field to give the pulse. It fries the wires in a car. Single use only.
You’re going to need some really big conventional explosives to affect an EMF in any way. Not clear on the math, but at that point, blowing up the vehicle with a smaller amount of explosives would be much more efficient.
Sounds like an awesome YT video for backyard scientist or action labs or alpha phoenix or definitely styro pyro
“Sorry but I only have video about the construction process. All the cameras I’ve set up got fried when I’ve set this thing off, including the memory cards. It even messed up the magnetic tape in the old school relic we had as a backup. With that out of the way, let’s get into the construction. This episode is sponsored by …”
