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    At this point why should they say anything? They’ve been fighting tooth and nail for years against this. I feel this is the ‘when your enemy is making mistakes, don’t interfere’. They’re letting people see what they voted for, or didn’t get off their ass to vote for. Not even being part of Trumps’ base will be able to insulate them from what they’re about to struggle with.

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      Yes they (most, not all) are bargaining with the lives of countless Americans, but not themselves or their families.

      Fuck every one of them doing this on purpose.

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      They’ve been fighting tooth and nail for years

      I’m not old enough to really have much memory of the clinton. but after he did so much for racial equality and ending the drug war, I can’t begrudge the man a blowjob.

      I DO remember during the brooks brothers riots, where they kicked the shit out of those fascists. I remember the guy with the full back tattoo of nixon’s face, being stepped on a bunch. I remember it was kinda controversial when president gore pardoned the people who did it, but it was obvious self defense; the cameras caught it all. I’m glad they fought that shit in the supreme court, and put those bastards in their place. they could’ve done some real damage to society if left unchecked, before we got rid of the reagan appointees.

      fuck the gore administration was good. you remember those guys who tried to blow up those decrepit shit hole buildings in new york all those times? and the boondoggle of demolishing them that lead to that weird gay-coded-but-not-gay musical theater real estate failson from the home alone movies being elected governor of new york in 2018? that was so weird. glad he got what he deserved. kind of annoyed people didn’t make a bigger deal about all the rape he did.

      I remember what president gore did for climate change, the scandal after energy was too cheap to meter for a couple years, and then we had to start metering it again because of that cryptocurrency nonsense, even though it was still cheaper than it had ever been at any point in the 20th.

      I remember how the democrats in congress kept us out of that dumb fucking war the fascists tried to get us into in 2001 with their bullshit lies. I bet it would’ve killed or crippled like half the guys I went to high school with, and the first girl I ever kissed-maybe not directly, but she was the kind of uncritical heroic idiot who’d have rushed into some shit over her head, come back with horrible PTSD, and eventually killed her dumb ass over it-we still talk sometimes. I know without the democratic party, I probably wouldn’t have my dumbest friend. I remember when the dems in congress swept in and put a stop to all that subprime mortgage nonsense in 2006, stopped anyone from losing their homes, and locked up all the coke addled wall street goons who tried to con us all.

      Al gore was a pretty great president, and with so many good people in the deliberative branch, how could we NOT have stopped global warming in its tracks? lol, tracks, like all the trains. I can go basically anywhere in the country on maglev. giving the japanese a run for their money, at least in the midwest. kinda disappointed the HSR in california uses traditional overhead wire on steel rails, but I can go from san diego to san francisco and hang out in the bay then come back home for dinner. I remember when it used to take that long to drive there-and that was really the only way-from sacramento, one way. I grew up walking and biking everywhere, imagine how many scars and broken bones I’d have if I had tried doing that shit for my entire adult life in a nation that still worshipped cars? I bet I’d look like fucking frankenstein’s monster by now.

      I remember when they went after white supremacist terror groups being funded by our tax dollars during the gore administration, like the lynwood vikings, the moment they found out. WHOO! LOCAL WIN! that was pretty cool of obama to do. I remember the press release. I actually lived nearby at the time. seeing FBI snipers take out local cops, then pull off their LAPD uniforms to expose all the nazi tattoos and hang them on la brea avenue? that was fucking wild, man. there was a whole arc in the punisher comic books where he had like a crisis of conscience and became an FBI agent and it was weird, and he felt like an asshole when he had to quit but kept respecting them; it felt like it could have been realistic, I honestly felt something similar at the time, but it was so fucking badly written. fucking marvel comics, man. they could have made such good movies; you can tell by how popular the DC comics cinematic universe got under whedon (creepy bastard).

      I remember when they were gonna ratfuck the wildly popular candidate for an arrogant hack who wouldn’t even have remembered to register everywhere she could have, but then decided not to, and won the 2016 election in a historic landslide, breaking the whole ‘red state/blue state’ paradigm. that was one of the best administrations we ever had, like a perfect whatever the reverse of a black mirror is of the reagan administration. the other guy was all “make america great again!” but president sanders actually did it. plus, cuban rum and the lung cancer vaccine. yesplz.

      I remember after the “UNITE THE RIGHT” rally where the nazi in the car killed that lady? the one with all the tiki torches and polo shirts? where the ATF had been waiting on like a perimeter, and took a lot of flak for not charging in and killing those bastards sooner. I hear some of the surviving nazis ended up in gitmo. it wasn’t perfect, but it was ordered directly by a democratic cabinet officer. I hear president sanders was in the loop, he took some heat for letting that lady die, but honestly it could have gone so much worse.

      I remember on january 7th, 2021, after the insurrection, when the white house lawn was covered in gallows of the nazi insurrectionists. the ones that didn’t get mowed down by machine guns day-of. the dems did right that day.

      I remember when the weird guy from home alone 2? that guy kept insisting he was president and lead that shit, after they impeached him from the governership and kicked him out of office, they locked him in the darkest cage they had. I hear it was somewhere in syria. got blown up during the trouble there. some of his followers insist he’s still alive, but LOL, no fucking way. that guy wouldn’t live ten seconds in a war zone.

      I remember when the FBI switched up their priorities and decided to go after domestic white supremacist terror groups, including foreign owned misinformation operations, like not-twitter and fox news, like they were black communists who’d just blown up a pipeline and sabotaged a logging operation. the killings were… I mean, it was kind of intense, and there was a lot of collateral damage, but they were nazis, you know? they would have done more damage if left alive, I bet. I didn’t even know how to feel while it was happening, I used to be an anarchist, and here was the fucking FBI, funded to hunt people like me like we were dogs, and they were killing nazis. real anti-hero hours, and if you’d told fifteen year old me I’d be cheering on the feds, I’d have laughed you out of the room, but they did good. I haven’t even seen a swastika in years, except when I replayed wolfenstein recently-kind of an irrelevant goofy nonsense game, but I played the old one when I was a kid. im glad we beat those bastards IRL back in the 40s.

      god, getting gay marriage and trans rights in the constitution in 2010? fixing that loophole in the 13th amendment and ending private prisons? election reform? single payer healthcare? it’s pretty great. I like it here. I used to think I wouldn’t make it to 25 after my parents kicked me out. I used to think most of my friends were more doomed than I was. I was kind of a depressed edgelord I guess. but here we all are. all those old AIDS crisis survivors in the queer community sound silly, but the past is a foreign country, so let’s not judge our elders too harshly.

      I guess I also remember the bad old days, when people would die unhoused outside empty houses. I remember the bad old days when so many people couldn’t get healthcare, and stores locked up dumpsters full of perfectly edible food. I remember the bad old days when people were afraid of the state. when people were afraid of the people paid by their tax dollars. when our tax dollars funded corrupt religious institutions, and taught their bullshit in public schools. I’m glad we’re past all that. I’m glad nobody thinks absurdist edgelord authors like bacigalupi are remotely serious anymore. it’s kind of ridiculous we ever thought otherwise, with leadership like this. when they defunded the local police after those killings, I became one of the emergency response social workers; it’s damn fulfilling work. Would you believe I used to be an anarchist? like, I’m still kind of a curmudgeon sometimes about bureaucracy and stuff, but with a robust safety net and amazing education and a world that pretty much works, with such a bright outlook for the future, I really don’t have much to complain about, and the complaints I do have all feel kind of petty. I used to think states couldn’t work, and america was an existential evil. I guess it’s still problematic sometimes, the international policies aren’t all great, but… I dunno; I feel like it’s a net good; just look at how we saved all those people by giving the world free vaccines during the pandemics. I guess I was proven wrong. I don’t know what to call myself now. just “democrat” i guess.

      Things could go downhill, since they fucked it that last election. sanders was a tough fucking act to follow, especially that second term. I’m not worried though. they’re still fighting it in the courts, and they’re so loud in congress, the fascists can’t even finish a sentence. AOC proposed that bill to legalize dueling after bobo threatened to shoot her, and every republican voted against it; that was a really good one. filibustering everything, challenging everything. it’s honestly kind of funny to watch. fascists do not know how to adapt to that. I say fascists; they won’t admit it, but we all kinda know, right? DW; dems got out backs, no matter what, even if it loses them some rich donors. i dropped like fifty tubmans on a donation to my congressman last week; you should too.

      so yeah, we should stand up for the democratic party. The same way they stood up for us so many times. we owe them that.

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            well until we figure out how to decouple hypothetical data from needing physical, real storage it tracks that every site, no matter the purpose, would need data delimiting of some kind. don’t mean to sound facetious, i like, genuinely believe we are living during some singularity shit. don’t buy the media buzzwords or anything, but, knowledge seems to be solvable. the moment someone or something discovers >exponential returns on learning we’re cooked.

            but anyway, your comment fr captured a lot of sentiment i have trouble expressing as an american zoomer in 2025. it’s so hard to explain to people from different places and different times how this all feels. people who are similar in age seem to be more aware of what’s going on; but, overall there is this shadow of ignorance over everyone and everything that manifests in different forms with each and every individual. there’s no one unified way to fight it.

            i have a shitty thread i made in one of the c/unpopularopinion comms or something to kind of vent about everything and it kind of opened my eyes to how everyone is aware of what’s going on but completely unconcious as to what it all entails.

            in the words of the great philosopher bob dylan, “and don’t speak too soon, for the wheel’s still in spin”

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              decouple data from needing physical real storage

              oof. so, information is physical. that means that ‘decoupling information from physical real storage’ is up there with “perpetual motion machine”. if you did that, it wouldn’t be information or usable anymore. there is a theoretical lower limit on the amount of energy to store a single bit. get on libgen and grab yourself a book on information theory.

              ‘the information: a history, a theory, a flood’ for pop-sci outlining of the concepts, but it was written a while ago so some of the ‘lets see how this goes’ near the end is kind of hilarious when you look at the neon-genesis-evangellion assed megaproject-to-kill-truth thing.

              ‘elements of information theory’ is fine if you’re comfy enough with equations rather than narratives.

              if you want to do something about the problems, try mutual aid. try organizing. get a gun. you’re gonna have to kill some nazis, if you want to keep all your friends. It’s worth it, if you’ve still got most of yours.

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                is up there with “perpetual motion machine”

                okay so like, i wasn’t being facetious in a meta sense but was being facetious in of that i was joking and knew what i said was nigh impossible.

                jeez now that i say it like that no wonder my attempt at humor didn’t land lmao. i’m sorry i’m pretty sure im autistic in some way. anyway i do computer science irl as a career and hobby, i think data as a concept is the biggest revolution since the wheel.

                hard agree tho. secure weapons, food+water, and knowledge. the only way to ride the storm.

                definitely scared for my generation’s “shot heard round the world” moment

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                  secure weapons, food+water, and knowledge

                  okay sure, but, like, you’re gonna want some other stuff too. maybe enough friends to start putting a society together?

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      What world are you living in?

      They had 4 years to fight Trump and make sure he was properly tried and sentenced for his crimes and they just didn’t because they didn’t want to look like they were going after political opponents. They have actually done next to nothing to fight him.

      And the “mistake” they don’t want to interrupt is Trump deporting people to random countries, setting up a giant concentration camp in gitmo, cutting cancer research funding and making life he’ll for trans people. So maybe they SHOULD interrupt this mistake, with more than just signs.

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        Anyone with 2 ears and 2 eyes saw and heard the warnings. This is on the American people who chose not to vote their way out of this. I don’t care what they didn’t accomplish, it could’ve been cut and dry if people just voted.

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          Do you understand how gerrymandering works? Winner take all? Plus all the other strategies? Millions of us didn’t have our votes count for anything. Didn’t matter who we picked… But you think we should blame ourselves.

          Obviously it’s complicated, but if your simple answer is “blame the victims” then I’m not sure where you’ve been living.

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          people don’t “choose” to not vote on the scales we see in america today.

          the fact that ~64% of just eligible voters, not even the entire population, is considered “historic turnouts” tells you all you need to know about the “democracy” we live in.

          the vast, vast majority of americans are disenfranchised, and always have been. people do not choose to be oppressed.

          when will it be kosher to say this out loud?

          the rhetoric spread in this comment i am replying to is in service of the fascists and their goals. “of course this is happening, they deserved it.”

          don’t fall for their lies

          don’t fall for their lies

          don’t fall for their lies

          we can stand united, together. not just here, across the globe. workers of the world unite & all.

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      If that were true, it’s a dumb election strategy to sit back and wait while your opponent puts an end to free and fair elections.

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        This is all on the American people now, not their so called leaders. They could start a coup, anything really. As an outsider I don’t give a shit what Obama has to say about the situation. But it would be incredibly inspiring to see the people.wake up and take back their counry

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          As an outsider

          people.wake up and take back their counry

          Yeah it’s clear you’re an outsider by that ridiculous statement alone. My state is bigger than many nations, and the rural areas are full of people who support these morons. Oh, and they have a lot of very illegal weaponry and a victim complex, just waiting to kill those who they see as coming after them

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      Kind of a suicide move. Like, they let the mass murderer in, so you’re letting everyone die to spite them.

      We know that project 2025 is essentially a complete dismantling of democracy, so what the hell do they think they’ll get out of letting it happen? Aside from getting lined up against a wall?

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      I dunno, man, waiting until the last minute to start trying Donald when we all know how slow the wheels of justice grind in this country doesn’t seem tooth and nail to me.

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      What even can they do?

      This, for better or worse, is the will of the people. It’s not like nobody knew this was going to happen.

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        What even can they do?

        • Refuse Democratic cooperation on a single Republican nominee or bill without severe concessions.
        • Hang any Democrat who dares utter the word “bipartisanship” from a lamp post.
        • Boycott important Trump speeches.
        • Refuse to assist in passing laws that will give the president more power.
        • Filibuster everything and use every iota of resistance in the Senate possible.
        • Participate in direct protests like Al Green - every single member should have done the same thing.
        • Participate and lead street protests directly.
        • Demand lawful access to government buildings, enter by force if necessary.
        • Have candidates for 2028 start running for president NOW, to serve as foci and centers of resistance.
        • Start drafting a “Project 2029” now. Be just as prepared as Trump’s team was.

        They are not doing any of these things.

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          • Start running town halls and hit adds where republican lawmakers run from their own constituents.

          • stop bitching about decorum or voting to censor the one guy who stood up for American democracy.

          • stop pretending like it’s the voter’s fault you lost them

          • start talking about solutions to problems rather than bitching about how awful trump is. One liners that don’t require an associates degree in economics. And focus on problems of average Americans. Not “The Economy™️”

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          This. Even if they don’t have any real power in the Senate or the House, they should be fighting and actively resisting on every front.

          Protests, occupations, or any other popular movement initiated by the people will serve nothing unless they are clearly supported by the Democrats.