Go ask it about NATO or Tienanmen Square and see what happens. The data model is heavily redacted, filtered, suppressed, biased…
So if you ask it a question, it will always be pro-China/anti-America. It also changes responses on the fly to fit with Chinese law, which includes denying the Tienanmen Square massacre, and other historic events and even goes as far as to imply or outright say they never happened at all.
Refer to my other comments above. Self-hosting it removes censorship and bias. It’s only biased as long as it’s on Chinese servers and therefore following Chinese law.
This is incorrect. This only applies if not hosted locally. I host it myself it has none of these restrictions. If you’re using it from their app or website it’s hosted in China and must follow Chinese law.
I suppose if that line is a catch-all, sure. Your message didn’t make it clear that self-hosting removes Chinese bias and censorship. This is an important bit of information for OPs question, and what I get out of it is a valid and important addition to the conversation. I genuinely don’t know why you’re defensive. Being incorrect, or I suppose in this case, lacking nuance, isn’t a character flaw. I do it all the time.
Your message didn’t make it clear that self-hosting removes Chinese bias and censorship.
Why would I have to include that? OP asked if DeepSeek can be trusted. DeepSeek is the online cat interface–which is what OP was referring to. If they meant the model specifically they would have (or should have) referenced the model specifically which is DeepSeek-Chat or DeepSeek-Reasoner / DeepSeek-R1. If they did mean the model itself, then that’s their error. Not mine. Specificity is important.
Specificity is important no matter what you do. If that makes me “pretentious” because you were under the impression that I misunderstood, when in fact you misunderstood, then I’m okay with that. It’s not my job to ensure that you’re using nomenclature correctly, and I’m not responsible for your misunderstandings when I do use nomenclature correctly.
Specificity is less important than effective communication. If you’re sacrificing communication for the sake of being pedantic, what’s the point? There’s a reason experts don’t use jargon when talking to novices, and this is exactly that situation. I really don’t understand why you’re so bent out of shape over a reasonable addition to the conversation, and one that was helpful to the OP.
Specificity is less important than effective communication.
Specificity is effective communication… If you say “hand me the pen” while there is a pen and a pencil in front of me, you don’t then get to be pissed that I handed you the pen when you meant pencil. You’re the one who isn’t communicating effectively. Same thing here. If you ask if DeepSeek (which is the web-ui to the DeepSeek-chat model) is safe to use and I outline examples specifically why it can’t really be trusted in certain situations, you don’t then get to be pissed because you actually meant the model itself (DeepSeek-Chat/R1)…
Depends on what you ask.
Go ask it about NATO or Tienanmen Square and see what happens. The data model is heavily redacted, filtered, suppressed, biased…
So if you ask it a question, it will always be pro-China/anti-America. It also changes responses on the fly to fit with Chinese law, which includes denying the Tienanmen Square massacre, and other historic events and even goes as far as to imply or outright say they never happened at all.
So can the content be trusted? Not really.
I personally just want to get chibese translations, but I don’t if it’s worth it anymore…
Refer to my other comments above. Self-hosting it removes censorship and bias. It’s only biased as long as it’s on Chinese servers and therefore following Chinese law.
I see, it’s a great suggestion. But unfortunately, I don’t have the resources to do it. Thank you, though. 🙇
DeepSeek has some of the most syntactically correct and accurate English to Chinese translations I’ve ever seen–so it’s super useful for that.
This is incorrect. This only applies if not hosted locally. I host it myself it has none of these restrictions. If you’re using it from their app or website it’s hosted in China and must follow Chinese law.
This is literally what I’ve just said…
It also changes responses on the fly to fit with Chinese law. You called what Is aid wrong, and then immediately exactly reiterated what I’ve said…
Why? What do you get out of it?
I suppose if that line is a catch-all, sure. Your message didn’t make it clear that self-hosting removes Chinese bias and censorship. This is an important bit of information for OPs question, and what I get out of it is a valid and important addition to the conversation. I genuinely don’t know why you’re defensive. Being incorrect, or I suppose in this case, lacking nuance, isn’t a character flaw. I do it all the time.
Why would I have to include that? OP asked if DeepSeek can be trusted. DeepSeek is the online cat interface–which is what OP was referring to. If they meant the model specifically they would have (or should have) referenced the model specifically which is
DeepSeek-ChatorDeepSeek-Reasoner / DeepSeek-R1. If they did mean the model itself, then that’s their error. Not mine. Specificity is important.I think you’re assuming far too much of someone asking beginner questions, and you come off as a bit pretentious for it.
Specificity is important no matter what you do. If that makes me “pretentious” because you were under the impression that I misunderstood, when in fact you misunderstood, then I’m okay with that. It’s not my job to ensure that you’re using nomenclature correctly, and I’m not responsible for your misunderstandings when I do use nomenclature correctly.
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Specificity is less important than effective communication. If you’re sacrificing communication for the sake of being pedantic, what’s the point? There’s a reason experts don’t use jargon when talking to novices, and this is exactly that situation. I really don’t understand why you’re so bent out of shape over a reasonable addition to the conversation, and one that was helpful to the OP.
Specificity is effective communication… If you say “hand me the pen” while there is a pen and a pencil in front of me, you don’t then get to be pissed that I handed you the pen when you meant pencil. You’re the one who isn’t communicating effectively. Same thing here. If you ask if DeepSeek (which is the web-ui to the DeepSeek-chat model) is safe to use and I outline examples specifically why it can’t really be trusted in certain situations, you don’t then get to be pissed because you actually meant the model itself (DeepSeek-Chat/R1)…
Pretty simple stuff.