It’s doable, but very difficult. Requires supplements.
Protein sources are critical in this approach, I would map out the DIAAS scores of the protein sources to make sure it is complete.
A complicating factor is it’s very difficult to hit the micro targets and protein targets and keeping the carbs <20g, so many of the vegan approaches are low carb <100g and not ketogenic
Hi thanks. I have grown sceptical of most online food advice, but I will look into your link.
Contrary to what any reader of this thread might think, I would very much like to be shown nutrient dense low carb vegan food. I lived for more than a decade with my staple protein (and carb I suppose) being legumes/pulses. (At one point I had five pressure cookers lol - many large consumer of pulses/legumes will understand this). Even with copious amounts of dried seaweed the ultimately perpetual bloated stomach > gas is what forced me back to eating meat. It just wasn’t good for me. I now quickly put on weight if I eat a high carbohydrate diet. Low carb I am in good health and shape.
I know we have so many problems stacking up, including food production. Climate change ultimately means many millions, maybe more, will die of hunger over the next century. And I respect people’s wishes for the humane treatment of animals, but plenty of people pushing a vegan diet don’t exactly deal with reality. Nature is red in tooth and claw, and there appears to be plenty of evidence suggesting eating meat is what caused us to evolve as we have due to the nutrient density of it. I personally won’t willingly accept a diet that isn’t good for me. I did it for more than a decade - possibly longer than many of the vegans I read online.
Read The China Study and the work by Dr Neal Bernard. Type 2 diabetes can be reversed (not always, but it can be) or reduced. My mum had her dose of type 2 meds reduced by about half when she went on a plant based diet, because her blood sugar went too low on her regular dose.
You didn’t say what diet your mum changed from. You could replace a lot of grains and root vegetables (very high in carbohydrate), (not to mention high sugar) with a lot of non-root vegetables and see a big reduction in diabetes symptoms, but that doesn’t mean the diet is particularly low carbohydrate.
Traditional Indian omni diet. You don’t need to go low carb. In fact the desired ratio is 80% carbs, 10% protein, 10% fat. She still had grains and other carbs. It’s about the type of carbs (slow digesting). For example bread will nearly always be high GI because the yeast has done the digestion for you. Whereas white pasta will be lower, because it takes a long time to digest. Carbs are good, as long as it’s the right type of carbs.
People who say they’ve reversed their diabetes by going low carb haven’t reversed it, because it would come right back if they ate carbs. It’s like saying I made my arm fireproof by not holding a flame to it. Whereas going high fibre, low fat, low GI will allow you to still eat carbs without sugar spikes.
As I said, look into the work of Neal Barnard, who has reversed type 2 diabetes without cutting carbs and without any other lifestyle changes besides diet.
In response you told me you had, but that it didn’t need to be low carb. Then you suggested an Indian diet, as if everybody in the UK is going to adopt that. You are talking nonsense. This is an easy block for being a waste of time.
What about a low carbohydrate plant-based diet?
Please direct me to a low carbohydrate plant-based diet.
https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/vegan
It’s doable, but very difficult. Requires supplements.
Protein sources are critical in this approach, I would map out the DIAAS scores of the protein sources to make sure it is complete.
A complicating factor is it’s very difficult to hit the micro targets and protein targets and keeping the carbs <20g, so many of the vegan approaches are low carb <100g and not ketogenic
Hi thanks. I have grown sceptical of most online food advice, but I will look into your link.
Contrary to what any reader of this thread might think, I would very much like to be shown nutrient dense low carb vegan food. I lived for more than a decade with my staple protein (and carb I suppose) being legumes/pulses. (At one point I had five pressure cookers lol - many large consumer of pulses/legumes will understand this). Even with copious amounts of dried seaweed the ultimately perpetual bloated stomach > gas is what forced me back to eating meat. It just wasn’t good for me. I now quickly put on weight if I eat a high carbohydrate diet. Low carb I am in good health and shape.
I know we have so many problems stacking up, including food production. Climate change ultimately means many millions, maybe more, will die of hunger over the next century. And I respect people’s wishes for the humane treatment of animals, but plenty of people pushing a vegan diet don’t exactly deal with reality. Nature is red in tooth and claw, and there appears to be plenty of evidence suggesting eating meat is what caused us to evolve as we have due to the nutrient density of it. I personally won’t willingly accept a diet that isn’t good for me. I did it for more than a decade - possibly longer than many of the vegans I read online.
I think the !plantbased@lemmy.dbzer0.com community is where you need to go to have productive discussions of the plant based options.
Personally I’m biased and I moderate the !carnivore@lemm.ee and !ketogenic@dubvee.org communities.
I’ll have a look at that sub thanks.
I’m not sure what you mean by "direct"ing you to a diet.
“Eat low amounts of carbohydrates in a plant-based diet.” Is that direction enough?
Oh I see, it’s the angry non-factual person.
I am not wasting my time with this. Block it is.
Read The China Study and the work by Dr Neal Bernard. Type 2 diabetes can be reversed (not always, but it can be) or reduced. My mum had her dose of type 2 meds reduced by about half when she went on a plant based diet, because her blood sugar went too low on her regular dose.
You didn’t say what diet your mum changed from. You could replace a lot of grains and root vegetables (very high in carbohydrate), (not to mention high sugar) with a lot of non-root vegetables and see a big reduction in diabetes symptoms, but that doesn’t mean the diet is particularly low carbohydrate.
Traditional Indian omni diet. You don’t need to go low carb. In fact the desired ratio is 80% carbs, 10% protein, 10% fat. She still had grains and other carbs. It’s about the type of carbs (slow digesting). For example bread will nearly always be high GI because the yeast has done the digestion for you. Whereas white pasta will be lower, because it takes a long time to digest. Carbs are good, as long as it’s the right type of carbs.
People who say they’ve reversed their diabetes by going low carb haven’t reversed it, because it would come right back if they ate carbs. It’s like saying I made my arm fireproof by not holding a flame to it. Whereas going high fibre, low fat, low GI will allow you to still eat carbs without sugar spikes.
As I said, look into the work of Neal Barnard, who has reversed type 2 diabetes without cutting carbs and without any other lifestyle changes besides diet.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FxPSvcv8GXk
You asked to be directed. So I’ve directed you.
I said direct me to a low carb plant based diet.
In response you told me you had, but that it didn’t need to be low carb. Then you suggested an Indian diet, as if everybody in the UK is going to adopt that. You are talking nonsense. This is an easy block for being a waste of time.