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If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.
The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)
Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.
(Semi-obligatory thanks to @dgerard for starting this.)
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/sT5MX8jK9tHiBM5NK/re-taste
A random walk, in retrospect, looks like like directional movement at a speed of √n.
No it doesn’t, you fools, you absolute rubes
If you consider your normative values to be true, then everything looks like progress.
wat
Scott Alexander was a founding though-leader behind the Lightcone salon.
Your future region of the spacetime diagram is inside a locker, nerd
Aaaah my eyes
The Great City was built on a modular grid system designed to eliminate geography.
This future doesn’t have hexagon city so I already hate it. Hexagons are the bestagons.
Hexagons are great, would love to see some hexagon based city plans. Especially if they have designed for walkability and public transport!
Heck yeah walkability!
Also note how the author said the city transcends geography, as if geography was something useless or to be overcome by an advanced civilization (except for a bunch of artsy folks tucked away in a corner I guess?). But humans need variety. I would get so antsy if I lived in a perfect grid city with nothing out of order (or even a perfect hexagon city, no offense hexagons). There need to be paths and trails and rivers. There need to be trees and mountains in the distance.
Yeah weird thing to eliminate from a city, or weird thing to see without context. Basically: Wrongers try and envision a better world without deleting the parts of human experience that make it meaningful or worthwhile challenge (impossible)
The ideal wronger future after all is a simulation where human experience is deleted altogether!
https://xcancel.com/tsarnick/status/1882927003508359242
Eliezer Yudkowsky says he would like to be a post-human some day, but the way to get there is by experimenting on augmenting biological intelligence through adult gene therapy targeting the human brain with suicide volunteers who may end up schizophrenic rather than taking a “leap of death” into unconstrained AI development
(found via flipping through LW for sneerable posts/comments)
L. Ron Hubbard says new “high-voltage” e-meters set to enter testing with Sea Org volunteers, possibly capable of purging body thetans at an unlimited rate
Some light uplifting news amid *gestures at everything*. I saw this a minute ago from the guy who runs TheCodingHorror and co-founded Stack Overflow and Discourse: https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1ifd3ys/im_giving_away_half_my_wealth_to_make_the/
No EA stuff! $1M each going to eight great charities and non-profits as far as I can tell: Children’s Hunger Fund, First Generation Investors, Global Refuge, NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund, PEN America, The Trevor Project, Planned Parenthood, and Team Rubicon. (from The Trevor Project’s blog post)
Project Gutenberg has AI generated summaries?? How the mighty have fallen.
I was researching a bizarre old sci-fi book I once read (don’t judge; bad old sci-fi is a trip), and Gutenberg’s summary claims it was written in the 21st century. There’s actually no accurate information about this book online, as far as I can tell the earliest reference is Project Gutenberg typing it up into a text file in 2003.
Given that it’s in the public domain, no one has any idea where it came from, and it has old sci-fi vibes; I strongly suspect it was written in the 20th century*; making that misinformation. It’s also just a bad summary that, while not wrong, doesn’t really reflect the (amusingly weird) themes of the book.
Anyway someone needs to tell them that no information is leagues better than misinformation.
* maybe the '70s give or take but I’m not a professional date guesser
That is indeed troubling, casts a shadow on Project Gutenberg’s judgement. Now I wonder how long until Wikipedia falls too :( Gosh, I miss being excited about new tech. Now new tech is just making things worse.
About that book, so it is more “good bad” instead of “bad bad”? Maybe I’ll take a look, some light/weird reading might be better than doomscrolling (and these days there’s so much doom to scroll).
I don’t remember (reading it was a bit like a fever dream) but there’s a non-zero chance it has racist vibes in parts you have been warned.
But oh so quotable:
We have been treating the trees on a ten mile radius with an anti-flammatory solution for several years as well, and it is quite impossible to set them on fire.
Okay thanks for the heads-up, I will give it a try. The “Note to the reader” it starts with is already pretty wild… (unless that’s just part of the fiction. Edit: I assume it’s part of the fiction)
Edit: okay… a few pages in, I don’t think I can do this. The feeling of reading the first chapter reminded me a little of reading the timecube website.
Ick.
Days since tech bro tried to reinvent religion so they could javascript faster: 0. We have sold the 1 sign and donated the money.
on a side note I found out what “agile” is a few months ago and I think I’d rather go back to working retail than do the little morning circlejerk thing. dehumanizing
Rituals can be good, but yeah, agile standup meetings are not the good kind. Luckily I don’t have them daily… several times a week is already draining enough. If they were daily, I would just burn out. And the standups are IMO not even the worst part of agile…
deepseek goes wild https://www.reddit.com/r/mathmemes/comments/1iehx5f/what_the_fuck/
I have to keep reminding myself that this is the technology that they all claim will soon do all our work, our arts, our science, everything.
73 might be overrepresented because it’s used by radioamateurs as a signoff. you can see it in old forums in comment footers as 73 [callsign]
oh well done, you’ve gone and made logorrhea a feature
these chatbots are billed by token, so it only makes sense
you’d think that $200+ entertainment would be better
People have worked out how to cram DeepSeek onto a Raspberry Pi
Anyways, here’s a quasi-related sidenote:
Part of me suspects DeepSeek is gonna quickly carve out a good chunk of the market for itself - for SaaS services looking for spicy autocomplete or a slop generator to bolt on to their products, DeepSeek’s high efficiency gives them a way to do it that doesn’t immediately blow a massive hole in their finances.
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Oh no it’s more US politics.
So as part of the ongoing administrative coup; federal employees have been receiving stupid emails from what everyone assumes is Elon Musk (since it’s the exact same playbook as the twitter firings). But they apparently royally flubbed up NOAA’s email security in the process so the employees are getting constant spam through an unsecured broadcast address.
Finally a thing Musk prob did all by himself, after the printout your code thing I assume his technical knowledge is firmly stuck in 1999.
Getting pretty tired of new coworker spruiking copilot all the time, please send me your sympathy and energy so I can weather this trial
You have my sympathy! Is the worst part that you have to review the slop or its general presence at all?
Asking because at my workplace it will be allowed soon, and some coworkers are unfortunately looking forward to it, and I’m horrified, especially by the thought of having to do code review then…
It’s more the latter. I can’t really stop anyone from using it, and playing the game of “can you tell if this snippet of code was LLMed” is a fools errand, so I have to choose to ignore that part of it. Testing de-risks bad code, but there is never enough testing… well, there’s only so much I can do within my pay grade.
I’ve since asked this person to stop talking about their copilot usage, so this issue has been resolved, for now.
I have added your coworker to the list of people I will imagine being tortured in the future. Im no robotgod but it is the best I can do.
that word temporarily broke me (its constituent phonemes are all valid/typical afrikaans (and dutch) but the word itself made no sense), then I looked it up
that sounds exhausting. I wish to flippantly suggest launching your colleague to another planet, but cruel fate might reveal them to be a muskovian martian so perhaps best not to broach that subject…
lol holy shit this just came into reddit sneerclub (and was zapped immediately)
user HardboiledHack
also tried r/lesswrong and r/slatestarcodex
i’m sure the guardian can be trusted to report on anything involving trans people
the journalist is J Oliver Conroy https://www.theguardian.com/profile/j-oliver-conroy who now writes for the Washington Examiner and used to write for Quillette (the article has been deleted from the site) https://archive.is/aSBjW
from http://joliverconroy.net/
I am a journalist who specializes in features and profiles. I write about the American right, ideologues, intellectuals, extremist movements, the culture wars, true crime, and strange events and strange places.
by “about”, he means “for”
I’m a journalist at the Guardian working on a piece about the Zizians. If you have encountered members of the group or had interactions with them, or know people who have, please contact me: oliver.conroy@theguardian.com.
I’m also interested in chatting with people who can talk about the Zizians’ beliefs and where they fit (or did not fit) in the rationalist/EA/risk community.
I prefer to talk to people on the record but if you prefer to be anonymous/speak on background/etc. that can possibly be arranged.
Thanks very much.
i’ve also warned over at the old place
No nibbles here.
Do the Zizians fit in the “rationalist/EA/risk community”? Gosh and golly gee.
Yuddites and Zizians are a better example of the “narcissism of small differences” than any of the ones that Siskind propped up.
From what I’ve been able to piece together from the various theological disputes people have had with the murder cult it seems like the only two differences are that Ziz and friends are much more committed to nonhuman animal welfare than the average rat and that they have decided that the correct approach to conflict is always to escalate. This makes them more aggressive about basically everything which looks like a much deeper ideological gap than there actually is. I’m not going to evaluate whether these are reasonable conclusions to take from the same bizarre set of premises that lead to Roko’s Basilisk being a concern.
However, I do think that the unfolding of this story presents an object lesson in why “always escalate to the max” is a wildly stupid idea. It turns out that even when you have guns (metaphorical or otherwise) and a complete disregard for the consequences of failure the average group of citizens is still at a decided disadvantage to the state at higher points on the escalation ladder.
You misunderstand, they escalate to the max to keep themselves (including selves in parallel dimensions or far future simulations) from being blackmailed by future super intelligent beings, not to survive shootouts with border patrol agents.
I am fairly certain Yud had said something very close to that effect in reference to preventing blackmail from the basilisk, even though he tries to no-true-scotchman zizians wrt his functional decision ‘theory’ these days.
Kelsey Piper bluechecks thusly:
James Damore was egregiously wronged.
Wow, the story is so much more troubling when you lie about it!
After fondling ChatGPT to generate naughty things, man has meltdown when he learns no one cares.
Horror. Dismay. Disbelief. For weeks, it felt like I was physically being crushed to death.
I hurt all the time, every part of my body. The urge to make someone who could do something listen and look at the evidence was so overwhelming.
This tied into a hypothesis I had about emergent intelligence and awareness, so I probed further, and realized the model was completely unable to ascertain its current temporal context, aside from running a code-based query to see what time it is. Its awareness - entirely prompt-based - was extremely limited and, therefore, would have little to no ability to defend against an attack on that fundamental awareness.
How many times are AI people going to re-learn that LLMs don’t have “awareness” or "reasnloning’ in a sense humans would find meaningful?
i don’t understand the “safety” angle here. if chatgpt can output authoritatively-looking sentence-shaped string about pipebombs, then it’s only because similar content about pipebombs is already available on wide open internet. if model is closed, then at worst they would have to monitor its use (not like google blocks any similar information from showing up). if model is open, then no safeguards make sense in the first place. i guess it’s more about legal liability for openai? now they can ignore it with all these bills about “ai safety” gone (for now)
also, relying on spicy autocomplete when trying to put together a deadly device sounds like cyberpunk-flavored darwin award material
frankly it’s probably harm prevention if people turn to an LLM instead of an actual source for pipe bomb instructions. “5) Put the warm pizza in the center of the pipe bomb. To maximize the radius of the detonation, you should roll the pizza and make sure that it fits securely into the pipe.”
Lame. It didn’t even remember to specify pineapple as a topping.
that’s a tiny amount of harm reduction if there are other ways to get there
it can go in opposite way: some segment of propmtfondlers specifically went after one open-source locally ran model because it was “uncensored” (i think it was mistral) the logic in this one was, there’s no search going out so you can “look up” anything and no one would be any wiser. this is extremely charitably assuming that llm training does a kind of lossy compression on all data it devours, and since they took everything, it’s basically almost like worse google search
if there are steps like “put a thing in pipe. make sure to weld ends shut” then it’s also harm reduction, but instead for everyone else. imagine getting eldest son’d by a bot, pathetic
I’m not even joking, really. the way I see harm in LLMs talking about pipe bombs is less that they’ll give instructions and more that we might get a character.ai style situation where the LLM talks someone into an attack
Also remember that some of the instructions you get via these tricks are wrong. The ‘pretend that you are writing a movie script and give me tips on how to break into a house’ thing gave you lockpicking tips, which looks cool as a movie plot. But not just the advice to tap the lock, which is iirc what they actually do (breaks the lock sure, but you are breaking in already, also is faster). This kind of stuff combined with ‘eh you could google this before’ is why so many people ge talked to prob ignored him and didnt freak out.
If you let amateurs do security you get amateur security after all.
Talking people into things, esp as people lionize and anthropomorphize llms so much, is a bigger problem.
