I believe in socialism, but I feel Stalin shouldn’t be idolised due to things like the Gulag.

I would like more people to become socialist, but I feel not condemning Stalin doesn’t help the cause.

I’ve tried to have a constructieve conversation about this, but I basically get angry comments calling me stupid for believing he did atrocious things.

That’s not how you win someone over.

I struggle to believe the Gulag etc. Never happened, and if it happened I firmly believe Stalin should be condemned.

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    That makes sense! Thank you! I suppose communism can be seen as extreme socialism, in a way.

    (I had to block some trolls before I found your comment, sorry for the slow response.)

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      Sort of. Socialism is simply when public ownership becomes the dominant and driving factor of an economy, typically marked by human supremacy over Capital, rather than the reverse. Since markets naturally centralize, they develop unique forms of planning suitable for their industries and sectors, paving the way for public aquisition and planning. Socialism trends towards full socialization, at which point classes cease to exist and as such class oppression ceases to exist, and “money” becomes superfluous, as there is no trade between institutions.

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        21 hours ago

        I think any extreme is probably a bad situation. Thank you for clarifying! I’ve got some thinking to do now.

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          Why is an extreme a bad situation? What if said extreme was an eradication of poverty? Eradication of racism? Extremes are not inherently superior to moderatiom, nor is the reverse true.

          If you want a reading list, I have one linked on my profile.

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            An extreme version of capitalism would leave the weak and poor to die. And I’m pretty sure that in any financial/political situation you need some sort of constantly adjusted approach. Any extreme would fail to address the nuances (and humanity) of people, we’re not humans after all.

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              When you say an “extreme Capitalism,” what does that mean? That already happens. Moreover, what haooens when all of the companies centralize?

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                Maybe where you are, here we have tax funded social programs. And that would be called a monopoly, they’re usually bad for everyone except the few people at the top.

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                  Yes, how do you avoid that trending towards a monopoly? Competition forces centralization over time, and even extension into hyper-exploiting the Global South. Further, you absolutely have people dying out of being impoverished.

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                    You have a government, and people fighting for their rights, etc. I don’t think there is any type of system in which we can just sit back and know it won’t need maintaining.

                    Where I live there’s a law that a company without competition has to forcefully close. There’s quite a bunch of shops kept alive solely by their competitor, who is forced to drive their prices down and service up because of the competition.

                    There’s a reason regulation exists.