• OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml
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    If you have evidence of them lying, you’re more than welcome to submit that on the discussion pages. I don’t know which articles you’re referring to, but given my historical knowledge of wars in the Middle-East, they likely sourced US mouthpieces or analysts, rather than making the claims themself

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      LoL. Are people unaware of the NYT’s culpability?

      Acting as a stenographer for the state isn’t “journalism.”

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          If I tell him the sky is blue, and he asked for a source, am I obligated to provide that as well?

          I’m not going to play along with bad faith questioning of common knowledge.

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            If I tell him the sky is blue, and he asked for a source, am I obligated to provide that as well? […]

            Imo, while not exactly proper science, a quick source for such a claim could be a simple color photo of the sky.

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            […] I’m not going to play along with bad faith questioning of common knowledge.

            Leaving aside the “bad faith questioning” component, how would you handle requests for proof of what you are calling “common knowledge” in general?

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            You’ll find “common knowledge” is surprisingly hard to prove when you’re wrong. Wikipedia is a big place, if you can find concrete evidence of NYT lying, you can do a lot of reputational damage to them (even as so far as getting them removed as an acceptable source)

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              Seeing a lot of bots defend Wikipedia the past couple months. Is that because it’s so easily manipulated by y’all?

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                Seeing a lot of bots defend Wikipedia the past couple months. […]

                How are you determining that they are bots? Would you, by chance, have any examples?

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                  “Astroturfers” may be a more accurate term. Especially in regards to Israel and Ukraine. There’s videos you can look up where they train Zionists to astroturf forums and strategically edit Wikipedia. The US Air Force has a massive astroturf farm at Eglin Air Force base pushing a lot of this, too.

                  Whether these commenters are professional astroturfers, or just repeating what they’ve heard from one, I don’t believe it a meaningful distinction to make.

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                    […] The US Air Force has a massive astroturf farm at Eglin Air Force base pushing a lot of this, too. […]

                    Can you cite a source for this?

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                    […] There’s videos you can look up where they train Zionists to astroturf forums and strategically edit Wikipedia. […]

                    Can you cite a source for this?