• Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works
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    15 days ago

    Where on earth did you get the impression that I was talking appealling to moderates?

    People who are watching half their buying power disappear over four years aren’t moderates, they’re people begging to be radicalized. They’ll turn to wherever they are offered convincing solutions. A lot of these people voted for both Trump and AOC. They’re angry, and they want to burn the whole fucking system down. They like Trump precisely because they think he’s a molotov cocktail for them to hurl at Washington. There is nothing moderate about them.

    I’m not talking about compromise, I’m talking about exactly the opposite. These people want a party that promises to fuck shit up. They’re really not particular about how. Fascism, hardcore anti-capitalism, whatever. They’ll take anything that promises to smash this status quo.

    That’s exactly the problem the Dems have right now. Outside of a few members who are trying to push for more extreme rhetoric, they’re a party that basically doesn’t know how to be anything but moderate, when what they really, really need to be, if they’re going to capture the mood of the public at large, is angry.

    Just look at the response to that CEO getting murdered. Across the spectrum, self-identified right and left, people are cheering, applauding, celebrating.

    We are so far past moderate. We are literally at guillotines. If the Dems cannot recognize and harness that fact, they are doomed to be irrelevant.

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      15 days ago

      Where on earth did you get the impression that I was talking appealling to moderates?

      The part where you talk about appealing to this voter, who hits every ‘moderate’ musical note that’s been in play for the last twenty years?

      A lot of these people voted for both Trump and AOC.

      Jesus Christ.

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        15 days ago

        If you think this person is a “moderate” voter then you really, really haven’t been paying attention to what they’re actually saying.

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          If you think this person is a “moderate” voter then you really, really haven’t been paying attention to what they’re actually saying.

          And if you think this kind of person will embrace hardcore anti-capitalism because it’s against the status quo, you haven’t even done a cursory read of what they’re actually saying.

          This person is the mythical moderate. The person who isn’t REALLY that dedicated, they just need to be given the right pretty words to vote for the other side. You know, exactly what you’ve been fucking saying. But any examination of the moderate voter reveals, as I mentioned, that such a concept, at least in electorally significant numbers, is mythical. These people absolutely have deeply-rooted beliefs and loyalties, those beliefs and loyalties are not pliable, as much as they pretend and loudly proclaim that they are and playing the Internationale isn’t going to convert them just because they claim to be dissatisfied with the status quo.