• Victor Villas@lemmy.ca
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      1 year ago

      adding more numbers and letters only serves to cheapen and lessen the impact of an already hard fought for and carefully agreed on acronym

      Did you reach that conclusion through a survey among those who “already hard fought for and carefully agreed on acronym”? It’s the same hard-fighting community as always that promotes inclusivity changes to the nomenclature inside the movement

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        1 year ago

        I could ask the same of your statement, I remember when it was just LGB, and the amount of infighting and name calling everyone went through when new letters were added or proposed, but the general sentiment was the same whenever that argument came up. ”there are too many letters being added and we feel this cheapens our movement we’ve worked so hard for by allowing other groups to ride on the coattails of what we’ve worked for"

        Now of course that’s gatekeeping, and forging that path is of course going to allow others to travel it as well, which is perfectly fine. However let me use an extreme example to show you what many were afraid of at that time, say it at one point became 2SLGBTQIARE+&ODM

        This is ridiculous right? How is the average person, the person you’re trying to convince to accept the movement, going to remember all that? How are you supposed to form a cultural identity if you keep rebranding over and over to the point where you have to be deeply immersed to understand the nomenclature?

        Thus the + was added, being all inclusive and finally seeming to be a change that not everyone and their mother was up in arms about. To answer your question, that is how I came to my conclusion, having lived through it and put a whole lot of my soul and energy into this movement I feel pretty confident to say that LGBTQIA+ is just fine.

        If you disagree with that, well then you do, I can’t stop you, but hopefully you can see where I’m coming from

        • Victor Villas@lemmy.ca
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          I could ask the same of your statement

          Maybe it’s my bubble, but everywhere you look nowadays the term is used ostensibly, even if not consistently, and almost nobody really has any qualms with it? For example: Vancouver’s Pride (https://www.vancouverpride.ca), Calgary’s Pride (https://calgarypride.ca/pride-2023/) and so on.

          but the general sentiment was the same whenever that argument came up

          Strangely I remember it differently.

          How is the average person, the person you’re trying to convince to accept the movement, going to remember all that?

          The shorter acronyms still exist, they’re not banned. If the layperson doesn’t remember all of them, it’s alright.

          How are you supposed to form a cultural identity if you keep rebranding over and over to the point where you have to be deeply immersed to understand the nomenclature?

          That “over and over” happened a few times in 35 years, and so far it seems the cultural identity is still going strong. So no issue there so far.

          but hopefully you can see where I’m coming from

          It’s not that I don’t get it, it’s not unreasonable that you’re bothered by a hard acronym getting harder.

          Saying that it’s ridiculous or that it lessens the movement is a stronger statement though, one that the movement doesn’t seem to agree with. It’s not the government that is coming up with this, they’re just listening to activism.